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sugarbush

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The internet age has brought on an interesting era in beekeeping, an era of world wide exchange of information without leaving our homes. This has also brought about the advent of old ideas being re-launched as new. Often these ideas end up getting attributed to a person who isn't the original inventor or theorist of the idea.

The first example I ever noted of this was about a decade ago when a beekeeper in Mountaincamp PA started promoting the feeding of dry sugar to bees as emergency rations. This is a practice that I was taught when I first got into beekeeping 20 years prior and was nothing new to me. But now this practice is being called "Mountiancamp method" or "mountiancamp feeding" in beekeeping communities around the USA.

A couple of years ago I was reading some of Brother Adams works on queen rearing and realized it was nearly identical to the system that many New England Beekeepers use including Micheal Palmer. Mike promotes this system frequently, but does not take credit for it. But other people in the bee community now frequently call it his method. Mike admits that he learned much of how he keeps bees from Charles Mraz, who was well known to travel all over the world while studying different techniques. I assume that the most likely scenario is that Mraz learned directly from Bro Adam and passed the info onto Palmer.

Now Charles Mraz received a beekeeping award in 1992 for pioneering the use of Carbolic Acid to clear honey supers. Here in the USA he is accredited with it's use, but I recently saw on David Cushmans site a reference to it's use for the same purpose dating back to 1901, 4 years before Mraz's birth.

Is it safe to assume that every new technique in beekeeping has been done before?
 
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Beebreeding has been successful. My yields yieds are such that I could not dream about such 20 years ago.

Internet has given great knowledge about bee nutrition, about disease control, foundation build up, swarm control. To most beekeepers these are inside smog, even if everyone can read it from internet. No interest, I suppose.

I bet that internet has been a great distributor of all kind of humbug.
Production of honey is not so important but all kind of positive tricks are interesting.

And patriotism among beekeepers... Oh Dear!... NIH = not invented here.
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The internet age has brought on an interesting era in beekeeping, an era of world wide exchange of information without leaving our homes. This has also brought about the advent of old ideas being re-launched as new. Often these ideas end up getting attributed to a person who isn't the original inventor or theorist of the idea.

The first example I ever noted of this was about a decade ago when a beekeeper in Mountaincamp PA started promoting the feeding of dry sugar to bees as emergency rations. This is a practice that I was taught when I first got into beekeeping 20 years prior and was nothing new to me. But now this practice is being called "Mountiancamp method" or "mountiancamp feeding" in beekeeping communities around the USA.

A couple of years ago I was reading some of Brother Adams works on queen rearing and realized it was nearly identical to the system that many New England Beekeepers use including Micheal Palmer. Mike promotes this system frequently, but does not take credit for it. But other people in the bee community now frequently call it his method. Mike admits that he learned much of how he keeps bees from Charles Mraz, who was well known to travel all over the world while studying different techniques. I assume that the most likely scenario is that Mraz learned directly from Bro Adam and passed the info onto Palmer.

Now Charles Mraz received a beekeeping award in 1992 for pioneering the use of Carbolic Acid to clear honey supers. Here in the USA he is accredited with it's use, but I recently saw on David Cushmans site a reference to it's use for the same purpose dating back to 1901, 4 years before Mraz's birth.

Is it safe to assume that every new technique in beekeeping has been done before?

Probably - but it is the same for just about anything. The originator of most ideas is usually cheated out of the credit / financial or other benefit by a more cunning / aggressive individual(s) / organization(s) (political / religious / commercial or whatever). It has happened to me all my working life.
Just take a look at any political leader anywhere in the world - how many of them have their populations best interests at heart?.
 
About feeding with dry sugar, I think found here in some book from 1960-1970, pretty long ago. But since I am not for it, didn't pay much attention for it..
About who invented what, I don't mind. If I can use shared knowledge I use..
 
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Now Charles Mraz received a beekeeping award in 1992 for pioneering the use of Carbolic Acid to clear honey supers. Here in the USA he is accredited with it's use, but I recently saw on David Cushmans site a reference to it's use for the same purpose dating back to 1901, 4 years before Mraz's birth.
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The CDB hive was introduced in Ireland in late 1800's, carbolic was used here from that time for the above purpose. In fact for decades there was nothing else to use as an alternative. From memory, Digges has made reference to it's use.
 
Why not Finman? I think the old skep beekeepers knew a thing or two about beekeeping too.

It was poor, because they cannot open the hive, lift frames, see diseases, change queens, waste of wax. Nothing good in skeps. They lived in different world.

It was like American Indians: Before Casino and after casino.
 
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The casinos haven't really helped them much.... mostly just added a ton of debt to an already struggling economy. Trump would not have left the casino business if it was a huge money maker.
 
I thought the trumpet was an expert on bankruptcy and failed businesses, not making money

Well he did put the casinos through bankruptcy. I don't think he is an expert on anything except finding younger wives as they age.
 
The first example I ever noted of this was about a decade ago when a beekeeper in Mountaincamp PA started promoting the feeding of dry sugar to bees as emergency rations. This is a practice that I was taught when I first got into beekeeping 20 years prior and was nothing new to me. But now this practice is being called "Mountiancamp method" or "mountiancamp feeding" in beekeeping communities around the USA.


Now we Brits invented almost everything including fixed elections... call this ... adding a bag of sugar!

Perhaps we should have sent a lot more missionaries to the old colonies!

Yeghes da
 
The internet age has brought on an interesting era in beekeeping, an era of world wide exchange of information without leaving our homes. This has also brought about the advent of old ideas being re-launched as new. Often these ideas end up getting attributed to a person who isn't the original inventor or theorist of the idea......

Is it safe to assume that every new technique in beekeeping has been done before?

Try reading Varro's "De Re Rustica" on bees. Starts at paragraph 16.2 on this site
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Varro/de_Re_Rustica/3*.html
He got the gender of the 'King' wrong and was a bit messed up about where bees come from, but it doesn't seem as if much else changed until we started using framed hives and imported disease and pests.
 
The first example I ever noted of this was about a decade ago when a beekeeper in Mountaincamp PA started promoting the feeding of dry sugar to bees as emergency rations. This is a practice that I was taught when I first got into beekeeping 20 years prior and was nothing new to me. But now this practice is being called "Mountiancamp method" or "mountiancamp feeding" in beekeeping communities around the USA.


Now we Brits invented almost everything including fixed elections... call this ... adding a bag of sugar!

Perhaps we should have sent a lot more missionaries to the old colonies!

Yeghes da

Americans do not have invented yet, how to feed 10 fold expencive sugar to bees. UK beekeepers have many alternatives how to burn money the year around in feeding.

But American beekeepers have invented how bees can consume 50 kg winter food. It is easy when you do not use any insulation in winter.

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He got the gender of the 'King' wrong and was a bit messed up about where bees come from, but it doesn't seem as if much else changed until we started using framed hives and imported disease and pests.

Amen!!

When hives did not have movable frames, you cannot see diseases.
 
People need to re-evaluate the old skep beekeeping techniques .. they knew more than we give them credit for. Certainly by the Tudor period they were using split skeps or a brood skep and a honey skep above, the honey skep being removed in late summer.
Remember also they didn't keep bees for producing honey.. honey was a waste product. Bees were kept to produce wax for candles..
 

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