How bees vaccinate their brood.

[Finman]

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According the article researchers noticed that vitallogen has some role but with what?

Then we have special honey bee diseases which do not mind about vitallogen. Vitallogen has been as long as those diseases. What is going to change then?.

CCD, leucemia, Ebola, ... Just be positive and sleep well.... How to make syrup 1:2? Sugar or water first? I put first sugar.

 

[Anduril]

Against AFB you may feed tylosin antibiotic. It is very effective.

This is one of the reasons the UK is different. We are not allowed to administer antibiotics for AFB. Colonies are destroyed, this is very effective. Saying feed antibiotics for AFB is bad advice. Government policy.

 

[beebot]

You have to understand where I sit and what I see. Doesn't it seem that all the articles are written about Mr. David Hackenburg, and his CCD? Poor Dave can't keep his bees alive. It's Dave in the news and Dave in the magazines, and Dave who started the CCD thing.

And it's Dave who moves his bees in the middle of the day and Dave who has been called the Typhoid Mary of the beekeeping world by one of the head CCD investigators. And it's Dave who gets hundreds of thousand from the government for his dead bees. Dave and others in his camp.

And the national surveys fit right into the jive. Poll the beekeepers (backyard beeks and newbees) who lose most of their bees every year, and arrive at some base line from that data. Ignore the successful beekeepers who don't bother with the survey anymore. Funny thing how they squeaky wheel gets the grease. Tell the government how bad it is and they give money by the truck load to the Dave Hackenburgs.

Meanwhile, lots of us are keeping strong, healthy colonies, making nice honey crops and raising lots of big fat queens. Too busy to be bothered with their absurd surveys. Frustrated and confused by the constant reports on the demise of our beloved honey bees.

Sorry Pargyle, just venting at your expense....meaning nothing by it.

Very interesting. It great to have your perspective on the forum Mike.

 

[pargyle]

Sorry Pargyle, just venting at your expense....meaning nothing by it.

No bother ... having heard you speak about the way you keep bees I completely understand ... and I feel sure that there may be many, many, beekeepers like you in the USA ... but even if there are I find it difficult to countenance a commercial beekeeper who has tens of thousands of hive and drives them annually a round trip of 10,000 miles. I find it difficult to comprehend fields that are as big as some English counties - growing a single crop. So called beekeepers that feed their bees corn syrup because it is cheap, who routinely kill off their queens and replace them with in bred stock from a climate that bears little resemblance to the places they will live. Who treat their bees with so little respect that, if they were governed by the same regulations that cover animals they would be prevented from keeping them.

All this and still there are major players in US beekeeping who appear to be oblivious to the fact that the ailments that afflict their bees are largely of their own making - or simply ignore the fact as the commercial consequences are so unpalatable.

Clearly, unlike you, I don't have first hand knowledge of what is going on over there and I can only comment having read countless articles about what appears to be the situation. The media, anywhere, always seem to concentrate on the worst aspects and I'm certain there are good news stories somewhere in US beekeeping ... but I think, in the meantime, we are both ranting about the same thing !

Perhaps there is a sea change happening in US beekeeping ... but there's not a lot about it being made public yet.

 

[BeeJayBee]

Perhaps there is a sea change happening in US beekeeping ... but there's not a lot about it being made public yet.

The media doesn't want to know when things are ticking along nicely!

 

[pargyle]

The media doesn't want to know when things are ticking along nicely!

Hmmm ... Ticking along nicely is possibly not a phrase I would use about a lot of things in the USA !! Certainly bits of it are ... but the scale of some of the issues over there ... not ticking along - plummeting towards disaster more like - have you seen their obesity figures ?

 

[Finman]

This is one of the reasons the UK is different. We are not allowed to administer antibiotics for AFB. Colonies are destroyed, this is very effective. Saying feed antibiotics for AFB is bad advice. Government policy.

We are allowed to use antibiotics against AFB, but we cannot sell honey from such hive which got antibiotics.

Yes we are different. Like you in Britain 60 million people, you are all same. But why you have in every village huge Police Stations and old ladies in private detective jobs? What are you doing out there?

You out there are allowed to use Fumagillin antibiot against nosema and in Finland its selling has been forbidden 20 years.

Main procedure to clean hives from AFB is to shake bees onto foundations. When bees consume the contaminated honey from their gut, hive will be free from disease.
That is usual in many countries like in Germany, Sweden and so on.

In Australia method has used 80 years. In those days there were no antibiotics.

So I gove tylosine to my hive in May , and I saved 2 boxes of brood. Then later I put bees onto foundations. External signs of AFB vanished.

 

[beebot]

We are allowed to use antibiotics against AFB, but we cannot sell honey from such hive which got antibiotics.

Yes we are different. Like you in Britain 60 million people, you are all same. But why you have in every village huge Police Stations and old ladies in private detective jobs? What are you doing out there?

You out there are allowed to use Fumagillin antibiot against nosema and in Finland its selling has been forbidden 20 years.
Main procedure to clean hives from AFB is to shake bees onto foundations. When bees consume the contaminated honey from their gut, hive will be free from disease.
That is usual in many countries like in Germany, Sweden and so on.

In Australia method has used 80 years. In those days there were no antibiotics.

So I gove tylosine to my hive in May , and I saved 2 boxes of brood. Then later I put bees onto foundations. External signs of AFB vanished.

Pretty sure you will find that is incorrect.

 

[kazmcc]

Yes we are different. Like you in Britain 60 million people, you are all same. But why you have in every village huge Police Stations and old ladies in private detective jobs? What are you doing out there?

 

[Finman]

Pretty sure you will find that is incorrect.

Yes, I noticed it at once. Next writer had sense on humour but first one does not know what heck it that.

 

[beebot]

Yes, I noticed it at once. Next writer had sense on humour but first one does not know what heck it that.

So things that are simply incorrect are what you think is humour. With that in mind your posts make some sense.
Shame you did not simply correct it, as this would then make sense, is the way I see it.
Not one thing you have posted has been even remotely funny or humorous to me (arrogant, abusive and bordering on the xenophobic yes, but not funny). Simple a lot of ranting with some sense occasionally. Just my opinion but have a nice day.

 

[Finman]

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Incorrect humour... Have you some kind of humour licensing office?
How much I costs if I order such license to me?

Beebot. You should train hate controlling. .. And not to mention, beekeeping!

 

[B+.]

You out there are allowed to use Fumagillin antibiot against nosema and in Finland its selling has been forbidden 20 years.

Main procedure to clean hives from AFB is to shake bees onto foundations. When bees consume the contaminated honey from their gut, hive will be free from disease.
That is usual in many countries like in Germany, Sweden and so on.

In Australia method has used 80 years. In those days there were no antibiotics.

So I gove tylosine to my hive in May , and I saved 2 boxes of brood. Then later I put bees onto foundations. External signs of AFB vanished.

I think your information is out of date Finman. The license for Fumagillan expired a long time ago http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/index.cfm?pageId=191

The treatment you mentioned might be acceptable for EFB but not for AFB, and, the indisciminate use of antibiotics is not allowed here. Only APHA bee inspectors are authorised to use antibiotics on bees and only under special circumstances

 

[beebot]

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Incorrect humour... Have you some kind of humour licensing office?
How much I costs if I order such license to me?

Beebot. You should train hate controlling. .. And not to mention, beekeeping!

I am allowed to disagree with you am I not.

 

[Finman]

I am , am I not. :

Shakespeare!

 

[Finman]

The treatment you mentioned might be acceptable for EFB but not for AFB,

What ever, but it works with AFB and is normal practice in many countries.

My updating with fumagillin. 4 yeas old only. Not bad.

 

[B+.]

What ever, but it works with AFB and is normal practice in many countries.

The colony may be asymptomatic but the bacteria spores remain active for up to 40 years (or so I understand)

 

[Bosleeu]

Plus exposure to the high temperatures in the hive will kill many bacteria and fungi.

I don't think that is correct.

Most labs will actually set their incubators for growing bacteria and fungi to about 37C. The temperature of the brood nest is very near that, making the inside of the hive nowhere near hot enough to kill it. In fact is almost spot on for rapid growth.


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[Thymallus]

Many fungi cannot grow at 37, they are usually groan at 21/22oC. It's the reason humans suffer from so few fungal diseases. Athletes foot being one, which is on the bodies extremities.

 

[Bosleeu]

Many fungi cannot grow at 37, they are usually groan at 21/22oC. It's the reason humans suffer from so few fungal diseases. Athletes foot being one, which is on the bodies extremities.

Good to hear the bees are safe from athletes foot then.....

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