GM crops

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Well, I'm really looking forward to my first strawberry flavoured banana grown on the blazing Somerset Savahna

You might have a long wait for that ...

Not sure I'd want to eat much grown on the Somerset Veldt for a year or so at all ... sewage and slurry flowing freely apparently.

What!! what happened to global warming? you remember ten years ago, all those long haired 'experts' in their open toed sandals pushing their doom and gloom that by the end of the first decade of this century the only things being grown in the market gardens of Eastern England would be pineapples and cactii? do you mean to say they were talking through their backsides? surely not? or did they get pineapple confused with rice?
Bet they feel a bit daft now.

 

[pargyle]

What!! what happened to global warming? you remember ten years ago, all those long haired 'experts' in their open toed sandals pushing their doom and gloom that by the end of the first decade of this century the only things being grown in the market gardens of Eastern England would be pineapples and cactii? do you mean to say they were talking through their backsides? surely not? or did they get pineapple confused with rice?
Bet they feel a bit daft now.

One does wonder what is causing this extreme weather ... if it is global warming (and it may well be) then the effects that they were predicting appear to be wildly out ... but it is a worry. I suspect that it is a compounding effect, there was someone on the news saying that the effect of all this heavy rain is going to last for months and the amount of fresh water now flowing into the sea is going to also have an effect on our climate ... I can't help but wonder what sort of slippery slope we are on and how unpredictable the effects appear to be ?

 

[mbc]

and the amount of fresh water now flowing into the sea is going to also have an effect on our climate ... I can't help but wonder what sort of slippery slope we are on and how unpredictable the effects appear to be ?

Mmmh ! ever heard of "a drop in the ocean" ?
Polar icecaps have a tad more fresh water stored in them than a few clouds and the severn swamp.

 

[pargyle]

Mmmh ! ever heard of "a drop in the ocean" ?
Polar icecaps have a tad more fresh water stored in them than a few clouds and the severn swamp.

Oddly enough ...

http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=392997#post392997

Post #177

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

It's all the fossil fuels they burn to build these bleedin windmills!

 

[oliver90owner]

Yes, JBM, but for the last three months about 6GW of the electricity used in the UK has required not one jot of fuel. OK, cannot work like that all year round but that is one h*ll of a lot of fossil fuels not used.

Btw, they are turbines not mills. You are mixed up between leccy generation and flour grinding.

RAB

 

[mbc]

Oddly enough ...

http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=392997#post392997

Post #177

OK icecaps are mentioned, but you're talking about a rise in the ocean rather than a drop !

 

[mbc]

Talking about alternative energy, this has been in the news recently.
I cant wait for all those swansea accents saying "lagwwwwwwwwwn" !

 

[bontbee]

It's OK, the turbines are only going to mince a small proportion of the fish that will pass into and out of the lagwwwwn.

S'funny, they didn't mention the effect on the harbour porpoise.

 

[itma]

What!! what happened to global warming? you remember ten years ago, all those long haired 'experts' in their open toed sandals pushing their doom and gloom that by the end of the first decade of this century the only things being grown in the market gardens of Eastern England would be pineapples and cactii? do you mean to say they were talking through their backsides? surely not? or did they get pineapple confused with rice?
Bet they feel a bit daft now.

I doubt they feel at all daft in having predicted that the UK's climate would become more extreme. Hotter, colder, wetter AND drier.
And windier too ...


While I personally think that humanity's use of fossil carbon as an energy source is undoubtedly a large part of the cause of *global* (not necessarily *local*) warming, I would like to see the largest parts of humanity trying to curb their rate of increase of carbon consumption. (As well as their enthusiasm for elephant tusks and rhino horn.)
Not just us, and our relatively small *total* consumption.

Somerset. Surely, like the Fens, they need to call in the Dutch to engineer a more permanent solution. And remember what the Dutch used to use to pump out their Polders? Windmills!

 

[Gilberdyke John]

One does wonder what is causing this extreme weather ... if it is global warming (and it may well be) then the effects that they were predicting appear to be wildly out ... but it is a worry. I suspect that it is a compounding effect, there was someone on the news saying that the effect of all this heavy rain is going to last for months and the amount of fresh water now flowing into the sea is going to also have an effect on our climate ... I can't help but wonder what sort of slippery slope we are on and how unpredictable the effects appear to be ?

The myth about warming ignores the data showing warming stopped 17 years ago. Its being called climate change now. It's interesting that the met office were promising drought this winter.
Basically the alarmists haven't a clue.
If the EA had spent some of the millions wasted on publicity over the years and maintained drainage, rivers and sea defences or even not obstructed those who wanted to carry out their own maintenance we would not be in todays mess.

 

[domino]

The myth about warming ignores the data showing warming stopped 17 years ago. Its being called climate change now.

It's never been called global warming by scientists, it's always been called climate change.

Not sure where you get that warming has stopped in the last 17 years? NASA say that nine out of ten of the warmest years in the last 130 years have been since 2000.

What's your source?

 

[Gilberdyke John]

It's never been called global warming by scientists, it's always been called climate change.

Not sure where you get that warming has stopped in the last 17 years? NASA say that nine out of ten of the warmest years in the last 130 years have been since 2000.

What's your source?

multiple sources but take a browse through some of these

http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2014/02/02/the-church-of-global-warmings-changing-catechism/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/17/cause-of-the-pause-in-global-warming/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/05/press-for-a-climate-scientist-who-got-it-right/

Its worrying that our so called leaders swallowed the pseudo-science peddled by the warmists and anti CO2 brigade and the BBC plus other media consistently fail to report most of the opposing viewpoint.
I don't propose to saturate this forum with my opinions but if anyone wants to pursue the data and details join in the facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/fayrepealtheclimatechangeact/
where respected contributors have and will continue to ferret out works by scientists around the globe.
Read for yourself and make your mind up either way.

 

[Jimmy]

Its worrying that our so called leaders swallowed the pseudo-science peddled by the....... the BBC plus other media consistently fail to report most of the opposing viewpoint.
Read for yourself and make your mind up either way.

Well if you fancy a game of link tennis, read Steve Jones' report from 2-3 years ago on the BBC's coverage of climate change.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/our_work/editorial_standards/impartiality/science_impartiality.html

I haven't read it today but have previously, but IIRC the basic premise was that climate change deniers (cause and consequence, again IIRC) were given too much credibility on the BBC and that the scientific debate had moved on.

With climate change and GM crops and other contentious scientific issues, Sir Paul Nurse, current head of the Royal Society has some wise words:

One problem is treating scientific discussion as if it were political debate. When some politicians try to sway public opinion, they employ the tricks of the debating chamber: cherry-picking data, ignoring the consensus opinions of experts, adept use of a sneer or a misplaced comparison, reliance on the power of rhetoric rather than argument. They can often get away with this because the media rely too much on confrontational debate in place of reasoned discussion.

It is essential, in public issues, to separate science from politics and ideology. Get the science right first, then discuss the political implications. We scientists also need to work harder at discussing the issues better and more fully in the public arena, clearly identifying what we know and admitting what we don't know.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

It all started when they took the tram lines up in Swansea

 

[domino]

multiple sources but take a browse through some of these

http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2014/02/02/the-church-of-global-warmings-changing-catechism/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/17/cause-of-the-pause-in-global-warming/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/05/press-for-a-climate-scientist-who-got-it-right/

Its worrying that our so called leaders swallowed the pseudo-science peddled by the warmists and anti CO2 brigade and the BBC plus other media consistently fail to report most of the opposing viewpoint.
I don't propose to saturate this forum with my opinions but if anyone wants to pursue the data and details join in the facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/fayrepealtheclimatechangeact/
where respected contributors have and will continue to ferret out works by scientists around the globe.
Read for yourself and make your mind up either way.

So the evidence is the Daily Mail and studies by Don Easterbrook - seems ligit.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Somerset. Surely, like the Fens, they need to call in the Dutch to engineer a more permanent solution. And remember what the Dutch used to use to pump out their Polders? Windmills!

Some of the Dutch are there now with their huge water pumps, and it was Dutch engineers that helped drain the levels in the 17th century, but they went home afterwards and left our lot in control, things went downhill from there on.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/w...-in-to-sort-out-Somerset-Levels-flooding.html

 

[REDWOOD]

It all started when they took the tram lines up in Swansea

And it was the oldest passenger railway in the UK

 

[Hivemaker.]

Its worrying that our so called leaders swallowed the pseudo-science peddled by the warmists

These warmist Pseudo scientists are a problem at times.

 

[bontbee]

Some of the Dutch are there now with their huge water pumps, and it was Dutch engineers that helped drain the levels in the 17th century, but they went home afterwards and left our lot in control, things went downhill from there on.
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I realise that this may seem a bit remote from GM, but it is all part of the misapprehension that "we" ie humans, can control nature.

Taking current events as an example, we bring it on ourselves and then fail to see the bigger picture. Easy to blame the farmers, the developers and, dare I say, the Env Agency....

we have drained natural sponges, (peat bog/wetlands),
we have improved pasture that used to hold back water, (rough hill "pasture"),
we have intensively grazed that land which used to slow run off, with animals that compact the soil, (nb. sheep were used to "puddle" clay to create impervious linings for ponds!),
we have converted vast acreages, (at least in Wales) to "grow" coniferous imports which don't create rich, open humus that sucks up and holds water, as native woods do,
we have allowed huge areas below the hills to be developed with tarmac , slate and concrete with no thought to intercept run off, (until recent legislation required it)
we have constructed many of these tarred/concreted areas on what were natural flood plains,
we have dredged, canalised and contained natural watercourses with flood defences, and then wonder why so much water ends up further downstream all of a sudden

Am I alone in thinking that we are much less clever than we think we are?