GM crops

[peteinwilts]

Smart little dogs. A good working Bedlington is worth its weight.

We have had a few, but she has never let our dogs work.

... ours does not even like getting its feet wet or muddy.

 

[oliver90owner]

As I understand it, apart from the frankencrap dimension, the real problem is the huge amounts of herbicide used on these crops, which gets into the food chain - goggle argentina and roundup with infant deformity. That should persuade a few. Horrendous for the victims.

Also there are now a huge number of US farmers who wish they had never used them - from law suits from monsanto to the influx of round up resistant weeds.

They are bad news for everyone except for the 'herbicide-happy' farmers that are brainwashed by monsanto and others. Pandora's box will be opened, sooner or later when the frankencrap purveyors make a mistake or similar.

 

[Swarm]

Pandora's box will be opened, sooner or later .

Sadly, I think this is the case. I don't doubt GM is going to appear and by the time we are aware of any problems it'll be too late.

 

[Amari]

My A*rse


I spent junior school years in Carmarthen. Sadly I can only remember a few Welsh words - one was (?)twylltyn = bum. Is this what you mean?

 

[mbc]

As I understand it, apart from the frankencrap dimension, the real problem is the huge amounts of herbicide used on these crops, which gets into the food chain - goggle argentina and roundup with infant deformity. That should persuade a few. Horrendous for the victims.

Also there are now a huge number of US farmers who wish they had never used them - from law suits from monsanto to the influx of round up resistant weeds.

They are bad news for everyone except for the 'herbicide-happy' farmers that are brainwashed by monsanto and others. Pandora's box will be opened, sooner or later when the frankencrap purveyors make a mistake or similar.

Whilst essentially the advantages to humankind of these clever technologies could be far reaching and beneficial to all, the dangers and obvious downsides make them unpalatable.
The whole idea of copyrighting living organisms and making their distribution a function of profit driven multinationals fills me with fear, and as o90o points out, we have already seen examples of power hunger and greed from the developers of these crops squishing ordinary folk.
How easy would it be to step back once large sections of our agriculture are tied in with GM ?

 

[mbc]

My A*rse


I spent junior school years in Carmarthen. Sadly I can only remember a few Welsh words - one was (?)twylltyn = bum. Is this what you mean?

Excellent Freudian slip, "twll din" being correct for "arsehole", whereas "twyll dyn" would be "deception of man".

 

[Nige.Coll]

I can't find anything relating to bees or honey about GM crops but there is some information about other animals in the food chain.
milk and meat do not need to be labelled fed on GM crops and the majority of Gm crops are being introduced for animal feed not for direct human consumption.
The only problem i can see for honey is that it contains pollen which none of the other food products do.
No doubt they will catch up in the next few years as they introduce more crops and maybe make us change honey labelling .

 

[peteinwilts]

I can understand the wish for drought and pest resistant crops in third worlds, but why in the UK other than money?

It is very easy to point fingers at governments for letting people use GM, but was it not beekeepers that brought varroa to our green and pleasant shores?

I was not a beekeeper at the time, but the hunger for more productive bees most have driven beekeepers to 'risk' bringing in bees regardless of the threat of varroa...

... and we still do it!

 

[domino]

that sounds like a statement! Has 'sufficient' data been collected on the subject?


... also sounds like a similar statement I heard regarding neonicotinoids.

This thread needs to go straight to the 'political issues section'... do not pass go.

How much is sufficient?

 

[REDWOOD]

As I understand it, apart from the frankencrap dimension, the real problem is the huge amounts of herbicide used on these crops, which gets into the food chain - goggle argentina and roundup with infant deformity. That should persuade a few. Horrendous for the victims.

Also there are now a huge number of US farmers who wish they had never used them - from law suits from monsanto to the influx of round up resistant weeds.

They are bad news for everyone except for the 'herbicide-happy' farmers that are brainwashed by monsanto and others. Pandora's box will be opened, sooner or later when the frankencrap purveyors make a mistake or similar.

+1

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I had no idea we had a World authority on synargistic relationships between deliberately genome altered plants and their subsequently altered pollen and nectar and the multitude of creatures which may be affected by said.
What a sigh of relief ! NOT !

Living in the fertile seat of the arable heartlands must be right

 

[pargyle]

+1

+ another one.

It seems to me that the UK is, apart from some small areas of experimental GM, still largely free of GM crops being grown (and long may it continue) ... however, I saw Owen Useless Paterson last week trying to pursuade us that GM Crops SHOULD be allowed ...

Our Minister for Agriculture is just not fit for purpose ... I can only assume that he sees his future as a non-exec director or consultant to one or more of the Big Ag Chem companies ... no other explanation that I can see for his stance in some areas.

 

[REDWOOD]

+ another one.

It seems to me that the UK is, apart from some small areas of experimental GM, still largely free of GM crops being grown (and long may it continue) ... however, I saw Owen Useless Paterson last week trying to pursuade us that GM Crops SHOULD be allowed ...

Our Minister for Agriculture is just not fit for purpose ... I can only assume that he sees his future as a non-exec director or consultant to one or more of the Big Ag Chem companies ... no other explanation that I can see for his stance in some areas.

wait for it.............. GREED nothing else, with money comes power the more power the more greed
The love of money is the root to all kinds of evil

 

[Hivemaker.]

The love of money is the root to all kinds of evil

Ban money....sounds like a job for Avaaz petitions plc.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Ban money....sounds like a job for Avaaz petitions plc.

Can we wait until May - I'll have emptied my savings by then on my trek across Africa - they can then ban my overdraft!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Well, I'm afraid that the neonicotinoid suspension gave them a good excuse to push this one down our throats.

 

[domino]

Well, I'm afraid that the neonicotinoid suspension gave them a good excuse to push this one down our throats.

I think the big problem is that the country is unable to have a sensible discussion about it.

 

[pargyle]

Well, I'm afraid that the neonicotinoid suspension gave them a good excuse to push this one down our throats.

Many years ago I had a company that exported stuff to Africa (mainly education equipment but it covered a very wide spectrum of 'stuff'). We were approached by a German bloke who thought he could solve the crisis of food shortages in Africa ... he had been developing 'giant' vegetables simply by natural selection and keeping pollination of the plants only to those that demonstrated 'large' properties. He could consistently grow tomatoes that were 2 or 3 lbs each and his root vegetables were enormous. No GM involved at all - and I had no issue with this - it's simply pointing nature in the right direction.

The idea for Africa failed miserably as the type of stuff he was growing/developing really weren't the 'staples' that third world countries needed - rice, maize, wheat etc. although we had a school in Tanzania that were growing some of his tomato seeds we sent out to them ...

 

[Hivemaker.]

Some farmers abandoning GMO crops.

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/02/03/farmers-abandoning-gmo-seeds-reason-will-surprise/

Simply put, they say non-GMO crops are more productive and profitable.

 

[Outlander]

Preferably my uncle Winston who'll be 101 shortly

Really, 101 now that's really is impressive. Lots of good fresh Welsh air I bet.