feeding 1:1

[Finman]

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IT is very easy to try, what is good in comb building. No need to debate.

IT is good to mention, that in Finland langstroth foundation is 100 g. With foundation wax bees can draw cell walls halfway. So it is a big save of honey when wax sheet is thick.

Bees draw cell walls when they fill cells with nectar. If they do not get more nectar, they stop drawing. That is why light syrup is good. The stronger the syrup is, the more bees store and cap sugar.


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[Finman]

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All understand what kind of syrup comb building needs, but very few know, how many kilos the box needs sugar. Many say that they spray syrup on foundations and that is feeding. ... Magic!!

Two box swarm needs quite a lot. = 4 kg bees. 10 kg sugar.

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[Fusion_power]

100 liters of 1:1 syrup turns into just under 55 liters of stores in comb. Someone will be smart and run a calculation that shows it should be nearly 59 liters, but they are forgetting that some energy is used in maturing the syrup. The same relationship holds if measuring in kg, 100 kg of 1:1 syrup will turn into a tad under 55 kg of stores. This presumes the bees don't consume the syrup producing brood.

Find out the weight of a frame full of honey then you will always know how many frames are required for a colony to overwinter. I am using Dadant frames which hold very close to 4.5 kg. Bees in this area need 20 kg for winter stores so I target 4 frames full of honey or syrup for winter.

 

[Fusion_power]

I should have mentioned to keep your units of measure consistent. If measuring by weight, use weight for both water and sugar. This is the best method to get the mix right.

If by volume, measure both by volume. This will however result in a difference of ratio because the volume of a unit of sugar is not the same weight as when measuring only by weight.

It is easy to make sugar crystals by getting the mix to the right density. I heat water to boiling, then add sugar until no more sugar will dissolve. When it cools, dip a few damp popsicle sticks into sugar, then place them in the syrup. In a few days, large sugar crystals will grow on the sticks. Crystal formation is fastest about 12 degrees but they will form fairly fast up to 25 C.

 

[Beefriendly]

If by volume, measure both by volume. This will however result in a difference of ratio because the volume of a unit of sugar is not the same weight as when measuring only by weight.

1 liter of water weighs 1kg, so no need to weigh your water if working in kg's.
It's when you use pounds to pints that the errors creep in.
1 Imperial UK pint weights 567 gms, whereas 1 US pint weighs 473gms.....you yanks just have to be different

 

[Finman]

. This will however result in a difference of ratio because the volume of a unit of sugar is not the same weight as when measuring only by weight.

It is easy... C.

Yeah. When I buy sugar, it says on the package " 1 kg sugar".
IT is good to verify it and weigh it. All 600 packages.

Up to this are, if you are not able to measure water, how you can nurse bees?
IT is easy, ask from forum consensus about best practice, how to measure water.

 

[Finman]

If by volume, measure both by volume. This will however result in a difference of ratio because the volume of a unit of sugar is not the same weight as when measuring only by weight.

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Difference is 15 %. In 1:1 syrup difference in sugar amount is 8% Bees must eate that more syrup that they get the same amount. 1 litre Sugar = 850 g. That is stupid to measure, because read from the package, 1 kg.

. That is worth to take care However, that you do not make mistakes.
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[einsteinagogo]

and on the subject of sugar, it's 80p for £2kg at Morrisons!

looks cheap to me.....considering what I paid for 1kg the other week from Aldi!

and National Bee Unit, (yes I know they've changed their name!)....

(1kg white granulated sugar to 1260ml water)

Source
http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/downloadDocument.cfm?id=708

 

[Teebeeaitch]

It's just as well those bees have us around to feed them all that sugar. What a mess they would be in if they only had nectar to rely on. Amazing how they manage to survive really.

 

[Beefriendly]

It's just as well those bees have us around to feed them all that sugar. What a mess they would be in if they only had nectar to rely on. Amazing how they manage to survive really.

They were fine until we started stealing all their honey.

 

[Finman]

(1kg white granulated sugar to 1260ml water)

Source
http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/downloadDocument.cfm?id=708

Well that is 1 : 1.26, not 1 : 1

Scientiful calculator...

 

[Finman]

100 liters of 1:1 syrup turns into just under 55 liters of stores in comb. Someone will be smart and run a calculation that shows it should be nearly 59 liters, but they are forgetting that some energy is used in maturing the syrup.

I have seen a research that moving syrup from the feeder and storing and capping takes 24% from original sugar.

But now we talk about comb building. To draw one box of langstrot foundations to combs takes 6-8 kg honey.

It has researched too, how much you loose honey, if you give to the package bees = how much bees spend honey to do combs.

- Wax trips
- foundations
- ready combs

It is funny that natural comb guys do not accept any of those resuöts.
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[Finman]

I should have mentioned to keep your units of measure consistent. If measuring by weight, use weight for both water and sugar. This is the best method to get the mix right.

If by volume, measure both by volume. C.

Don't be shildish

And best way to make 1:2 syrup is to measure distance.
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I fill the pulsator loundry machine to its upper mark with sugar ( 50 kg). Then I pour boiling water to the same level and I put the machine to roll. Result is 35C ready to use syrup. .. This I learned from Polyhive in this forum.


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[Beefriendly]

You are all forgetting to add in the speed of light and the effect it has on the basic chemistry of solution making.

 

[Finman]

You are all forgetting to add in the speed of light and the effect it has on the basic chemistry of solution making.

Imagination is faster than light. Use it.

Well planned is half done and often it remains in it.

 

[Beefriendly]

Imagination is faster than light.

But far less accurate...