Covid-19

[Erichalfbee]

That'll keep the mods here busy for a fortnight then!


So, the government have a plan to put 20 000 troops on the streets?

Bet you won't see them parked in the prioritised parking, sneaking in quick panic buying at the supermarkets during their time on duty!

Pointless post.
Give it a rest please.

 

[For want of a better word]

The government should implement an immediate Universal Basic Income trial for all UK residents to ensure home and food security through the coronavirus Covid-19 crisis

Print special money that can only be spent of essentials... soap/food/fuel... not on fags,gambling, wear once and dump clothes.

Scotch to be exempt!

Yeghes da

 

[xgeordie]

For those interested in the computer modelling - there is a good video on YouTube using a simple equation to simulate the exponential spread of infection (if infection is allowed to spread unchecked) and how easily the numbers can reach overwhelming levels beyond the capacity of healthcare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg

Without a vaccine, we really do need to heed the advice to slow the spread.

 

[For want of a better word]

Asked my insurers (NFU Mutual)

Can we claim under the business interruption clause for losses incurred due to Covid-19 ?

Answer No... we do not recognise Covid -19 as it is not on our list and has not been declared a pandemic.

Can we claim for supply of stand in beekeepers under the illness section.... if our staff go down with Covid - 19?

Answer No... we do not recognise Covid -19 as it is not on our list and has not been declared a pandemic.

They are not answering their phones or emails... Blinds were drawn and door to office was locked with a notice...
Closed due to Covid-19

Had to ask questions through letterbox

( quickly sealed once we left no doubt)

 

[B+.]

For those interested in the computer modelling - there is a good video on YouTube using a simple equation to simulate the exponential spread of infection (if infection is allowed to spread unchecked) and how easily the numbers can reach overwhelming levels beyond the capacity of healthcare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg

Without a vaccine, we really do need to heed the advice to slow the spread.

Those models are very scary.

The upshot is that the 1% who will die from it only contracted it 20 days ago. To put it another way, if you're vulnerable and you start to show symptoms today, you were infected 5 days ago and may have infected others. It also means you have 15 days to live.

If that doesn't make people sit up and take notice, nothing will.

 

[Beefriendly]

Looks like 15 day lock down nationwide being announced tonight between 5 and 6pm and armed forces to be mobilised.

False news and scaremongering isn't going to help anyone. This is a serious pandemic and affects us all. We may eventually end up in lock down if the public ignore the sensible advice coming from HMG and NHS.
Time to co-operate ....socially distance and wash your hands.

 

[B+.]

False news and scaremongering isn't going to help anyone. This is a serious pandemic and affects us all. We may eventually end up in lock down if the public ignore the sensible advice coming from HMG and NHS.
Time to co-operate ....socially distance and wash your hands.

I agree.
My wife is Head of Physics in a High school (where they're preparing to act as a hub, accepting children from other schools in the area) so she's classed as a member of an essential service too. She has to drive from Beds to Herts every day (~20 miles). If she couldn't get to school, there'd be a knock-on effect.

 

[For want of a better word]

Asked my insurers (NFU Mutual)

Can we claim under the business interruption clause for losses incurred due to Covid-19 ?

Answer No... we do not recognise Covid -19 as it is not on our list and has not been declared a pandemic.

Can we claim for supply of stand in beekeepers under the illness section.... if our staff go down with Covid - 19?

Answer No... we do not recognise Covid -19 as it is not on our list and has not been declared a pandemic.

They are not answering their phones or emails... Blinds were drawn and door to office was locked with a notice...
Closed due to Covid-19

Had to ask questions through letterbox

( quickly sealed once we left no doubt)

Update from gov.uk pages

Insurance

Businesses that have cover for both pandemics and government-ordered closure should be covered, as the government and insurance industry confirmed on 17 March 2020 that advice to avoid pubs, theatres etc is sufficient to make a claim as long as all other terms and conditions are met.

Insurance policies differ significantly, so businesses are encouraged to check the terms and conditions of their specific policy and contact their providers. Most businesses are unlikely to be covered, as standard business interruption insurance policies are dependent on damage to property and will exclude pandemics.

But it would appear a grant of £10k may be on the table for some small businesses and farmers who get Small Business Rate Relief from some time in April who have been affected by the COVID -19 pandemic

Yeghes da

 

[Goran]

Take care.If someone is willing to be ignorant and gamble with his/her life they shouldn't do with others lives. This may hit your country heavier than Italy as it seems.. When infection flood area it is too late..

 

[xgeordie]

Those models are very scary.

The upshot is that the 1% who will die from it only contracted it 20 days ago. To put it another way, if you're vulnerable and you start to show symptoms today, you were infected 5 days ago and may have infected others. It also means you have 15 days to live.

If that doesn't make people sit up and take notice, nothing will.

More scary modelling - assuming:
1% mortality rate
20 days infection to death
5 days for infections to double

Then working backwards, if 1 person dies today, then 1600 people will have been infected.

Credit: Khan Academy

 

[Beefriendly]

It's modelling, not factual as to what may happen. Don't panic.

 

[B+.]

More scary modelling - assuming:
1% mortality rate
20 days infection to death
5 days for infections to double

Then working backwards, if 1 person dies today, then 1600 people will have been infected.

Credit: Khan Academy

Yes. That's the model I was referring to. The 1% came from Wuhan but I understand that Italy is currently 5%. It's very scary.

I went to collect a prescription from my doctors for epipens today. They said the practice is effectively closed (the doctors are triaging over the phone - you only get into the building if they invite you in for an appointment - this is what the Government has told doctors to do apparently).

 

[Beefriendly]

Actions do work, no new domestic cases in China....

 

[xgeordie]

It's modelling, not factual as to what may happen. Don't panic.

Yes, but the assumptions are not unrealistic. Don’t panic, but be aware of what could happen if people ignore the guidance to slow the spread.

 

[Anduril]

False news and scaremongering isn't going to help anyone. This is a serious pandemic and affects us all. We may eventually end up in lock down if the public ignore the sensible advice coming from HMG and NHS.
Time to co-operate ....socially distance and wash your hands.

That news was going around the networks at 6am, totally different 12 hours later. Rose tinted glasses come to mind until you talk to the people who really matter.

 

[Millet]

Already had it Nov/Dec last year and it is brutal.

 

[charlievictorbravo]

Actions do work, no new domestic cases in China....

The drastic initial actions of the Wuhan authorities were commendable but we won't know the extent of their success until the restrictions on the population's liberty are eased. We will then find out whether the city of Wuhan has reached the magic 60% herd immunity (post infection) for the local population. If not, the outbreak could flare up again.

The UK government's attempts to develop a Covid-19 immunity test should not go unnoticed. If successful, it will allow decisions to be made about whether key workers have acquired immunity (from an undiagnosed infection) thus allowing decisions to be made about if they can continue work after coming into contact with a virus carrier. It will eventually also aid immunologists in making decisions on a population basis.

Wuhan was locked down for six weeks. I suspect our less stringent restrictions will be need for a lot longer than 6 weeks,

CVB

 

[madasafish]

It's modelling, not factual as to what may happen. Don't panic.

Frankly, London is going to be VERY seriously hit. Social distancing has been started too late and is not yet really working properly. There should be no bars, restaurants,clubs,night clubs, gymns, open meetings with more than 10 people . There are two places in Westminster meeting daily with hundreds of attendees....they should close.

Half the UK's cases are in London (for 20% of the population)..
The number of cases is rising roughly 600% each week..week over week.. Compounded over 4 weeks that is a multiple of 1,296 a month or 1.679million every eight weeks...!

If social distancing in London does not work, we will (not could,will) exceed China's total infection numbers before May.


That is not scaremongering but factual.

Italy is currently recording over 400 deaths a day with over 41,000 infected people..

At current rates of UK trajectory, we will have over 150,000 cases by early April which implies daily deaths of 1,000 plus.. Half or more will be in London..

And basically with incubation times, those numbers have a high probability of occurring .. Action has been too little ,too late.

( My dentist is closing now. Emergency operations only)

 

[Angry_Mob]

The number of UK cases are severely under reported as an awful decision was made to reduce testing.

As a crude measurement Germany has 15,320 cases right now with 44 deaths meanwhile the UK has 2716 confirmed cases 137 deaths. Times by three roughly and we should have had circa 46k "confirmed" cases by now plus the unknown which is even more again.

 

[mbc]

The number of UK cases are severely under reported as an awful decision was made to reduce testing.

As a crude measurement Germany has 15,320 cases right now with 44 deaths meanwhile the UK has 2716 confirmed cases 137 deaths. Times by three roughly and we should have had circa 46k "confirmed" cases by now plus the unknown which is even more again.

Each government has taken different strategies to avoid panic from real figures, ours is severely limiting testing = a higher mortality/infection rate, the Germans aren't recording deaths with other underlying health problems as covid-19 death = lower mortality/infection rate.
Interesting times,.