Covid-19

[Lancs Lad]

On the edge of a pandemic, at this moment in time everything seems like an over reaction, but when it's finished it's guaranteed you will think " Why didn't l do more "

 

[Millet]

My half disabled mother has her ASDA shopping delivered..she ordered the usual things for today including toilet rolls..when the delivery come no toilet rolls in the trays..she asked why the answer was we have sold out..thousands of nut jobs are panic buying in and around my town and it is not even here yet also the price of alcohol handwash has doubled in price..you could not make this up..pathetic if you ask me thousands more people die of other things every year than something similar to a flu virus..

 

[Bee Bumble]

This may interest some, it is about the 1918 Spanish 'flu pandemic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDY5COg2P2c

 

[madasafish]

My half disabled mother has her ASDA shopping delivered..she ordered the usual things for today including toilet rolls..when the delivery come no toilet rolls in the trays..she asked why the answer was we have sold out..thousands of nut jobs are panic buying in and around my town and it is not even here yet also the price of alcohol handwash has doubled in price..you could not make this up..pathetic if you ask me thousands more people die of other things every year than something similar to a flu virus..

No-one has any immunity to Covid-19 as no-one has had it before, As it affects the lungs, teh elderly with other issues are vulnerable. There is an OAP home in teh US where about half the paitients have tested poistive and 19 died already..

The major difference is that Covid-19 is very infective so it spreads very quickly - even from people with no symptoms.


It is estimated 8-9% of all over 65s are at risk of death if infected.
We have 11.8M million over 65s in the UK
That is 1 Million possible deaths.

(not all will be affected of course.. so 1 million will never happen.)

(Italy has the oldest population in Europe and they are very tactile.. hence the high death rates..)


Comparisons with influenza
Influenza kills 40-70,000 a year..

The US is out of control- not enough testing and no political will

If it becomes endemic - like influenza -next winter could be a LOT worse.

 

[Bee Bumble]

Read a report today from someone in Italy connected to hospitals who pointed out that their hospitals are overwhelmed with patients. Therefore, since the elderly (especially those with other health issues) are most likely to die anyway, they no longer give respirators to those over 60!
Let us hope the NHS does not follow suit.
I can see the attraction for the government: no pensions to pay and no future healthcare needed, lots of death duties to be paid ....

 

[Beefriendly]

This may interest some, it is about the 1918 Spanish 'flu pandemic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDY5COg2P2c

Despite the name originated in the states, crossed species from a duck to an American GI.

 

[Bee Bumble]

Despite the name originated in the states, crossed species from a duck to an American GI.

If you watch the clip (worth it by the way), It clearly states the pandemic started in the US and how. It was became known as Spanish 'flu because the information about it was censored here and in other allied and axis countries, because the authorities did not want to demoralise their populations during the war. Spain was neutral so had no censorship applied and so published information about it.

 

[Beefriendly]

If you watch the clip (worth it by the way),It clearly states the pandemic started in the US and how. It was became known as Spanish 'flu because the information about it was censored here and in other allied and axis countries, because the authorities did not want to demoralise their populations during the war. Spain was neutral so had no censorship applied and so published information about it.

Thought that's what I said..States/USA.It was a very interesting film. Been on telly a few times. Didn't know it was available on youtube.

 

[Bryang]

If you can't get any hand sanitizer it is easy to make up...just mix by volumn one part of aloe vera hand gel with two parts of isopropil alcohol. If you can get the aloe vera gel with added tea tree oil better still..My daughter is a nurse, occ health, and they have been advised to make up this if the normal sanitizer becomes unavailable..

 

[Angry_Mob]

Does anyone have a rational explanation, other than bog roll is cheaper than tissues...

One person coughs and a hundred defecate themselves.

In all seriousness I cant understand the fascination with bog roll either other than it maybe being more readily available than hand sanitiser, face masks, etc which is like hens teeth currently.

Read a report today from someone in Italy connected to hospitals who pointed out that their hospitals are overwhelmed with patients. Therefore, since the elderly (especially those with other health issues) are most likely to die anyway, they no longer give respirators to those over 60!
Let us hope the NHS does not follow suit.
I can see the attraction for the government: no pensions to pay and no future healthcare needed...

I've read a few different reports, some from doctors and nurses on the front lines. The most harrowing thing I've read is sort of waht you are touching on; the lack of actual ventilators in ICU's, medical staff are having to choose who to let die in the corridors basically and give the ventilators to the young who have more years ahead of them. I think the rough break of point was the over 80s however with their hospitals being inundated with more cases that threshold would drop quickly.

One of the reports I read was by Silvia Stringhini which can be read here: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020...rk-warning-from-italys-coronavirus-epicentre/

As an update the toll in Italy is 12462 cases (2313 new) and 827 deaths. The UK is roughly two weeks behind.

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No-one has any immunity to Covid-19 as no-one has had it before, As it affects the lungs, teh elderly with other issues are vulnerable. There is an OAP home in teh US where about half the paitients have tested poistive and 19 died already..

The major difference is that Covid-19 is very infective so it spreads very quickly - even from people with no symptoms.


It is estimated 8-9% of all over 65s are at risk of death if infected.
We have 11.8M million over 65s in the UK
That is 1 Million possible deaths.

(not all will be affected of course.. so 1 million will never happen.)

(Italy has the oldest population in Europe and they are very tactile.. hence the high death rates..)


Comparisons with influenza
Influenza kills 40-70,000 a year..

The US is out of control- not enough testing and no political will

If it becomes endemic - like influenza -next winter could be a LOT worse.

Some people are displaying textbook "normalcy bias" and the idea that its just the flu is idiotic - since when had seasonal flu quarantined entire countries?

The WHO official figure is 3.4% average mortality rate currently for COVID-19. For the elderly that jumps to 15%. Compare that with the 0.1% of seasonal flu for contrast. In Lombardy, Italy which is overwhelmed the figure is over 6%. Not to mention that the "strike rate" means you are three times more likely to catch covid-19 than seasonal flu - the numbers could be staggering.

Someone mentioned Spanish Flu earlier, they reckon that it infected 1/3 of the worlds population (equivalent 500 million) and roughly 20-50 million people died with a mortality rate of between 2-10%; percentages which aren't dissimilar to what we have now. On the same basis if Covid-19 infected one third of the worlds population which is now about a total of 7.5 billion and we went for the lower number of 2% it could easily wipe out 50 million people.

USA is sailing into a disaster and it has a clown at the helm.

 

[Erichalfbee]

If you can't get any hand sanitizer it is easy to make up...just mix by volumn one part of aloe vera hand gel with two parts of isopropil alcohol. If you can get the aloe vera gel with added tea tree oil better still..My daughter is a nurse, occ health, and they have been advised to make up this if the normal sanitizer becomes unavailable..

Thanks Bryang that’s a useful but of info

 

[Beefriendly]

Just watch for the lumps of Aloe Vera that don't dissolve in the isopropanol.....
Tried it...

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Whatever, I've decided, with my (and SWMBO's) compromised immune systems I'm not taking any risks.
Got the mother in law doing the shopping for us.............which is nice

 

[Bee Bumble]

'I've read a few different reports, some from doctors and nurses on the front lines. The most harrowing thing I've read is sort of waht you are touching on; the lack of actual ventilators in ICU's, medical staff are having to choose who to let die in the corridors basically and give the ventilators to the young who have more years ahead of them.'

The vast majority of younger people survive anyway, so no need for ventilators for them.

When people apply to attend a new GP surgery they have to fill out a form which includes: Title and occupation. This not just for genuine medical reasons, but to see if they need to be treated with respect by the GP and whether they are worth spending money on. For example, if they have a PhD then they receive respect, but if they are not working for any reason they are deemed to be of low priority for receipt of healthcare. This is because they are not providing an income for government. They are just a burden in the eyes of the State. The GP role is to deny access to healthcare not to provide it (unless it is inexpensive).

 

[Erichalfbee]

Just watch for the lumps of Aloe Vera that don't dissolve in the isopropanol.....
Tried it...

Gel. Use AV gel

 

[Angry_Mob]

The vast majority of younger people survive anyway, so no need for ventilators for them.

When people apply to attend a new GP surgery they have to fill out a form which includes: Title and occupation. This not just for genuine medical reasons, but to see if they need to be treated with respect by the GP and whether they are worth spending money on. For example, if they have a PhD then they receive respect, but if they are not working for any reason they are deemed to be of low priority for receipt of healthcare. This is because they are not providing an income for government. They are just a burden in the eyes of the State. The GP role is to deny access to healthcare not to provide it (unless it is inexpensive).

I can't remember the figures exactly but I think it broke down for over 30's 20% of causes are severe and of those 5% require ICU. It's those that require ICU who wont recover if they don't have access to the ventilators and in turn they displace the older generation who also require them. Relatively young people are still dying of this, not just the elderly.

When you get to Italys situation which is approx 2 weeks away from here and you mix in an already overstretched NHS who's ICU's occupancy rate is already something like 90-98% this time of the year it could be a disaster unless the goverment starts quarantining soon.

 

[Bee Bumble]

When you get to Italys situation which is approx 2 weeks away from here and you mix in an already overstretched NHS who's ICU's occupancy rate is already something like 90-98% this time of the year it could be a disaster unless the goverment starts quarantining soon.

Agree on that.

 

[madasafish]

'I've read a few different reports, some from doctors and nurses on the front lines. The most harrowing thing I've read is sort of waht you are touching on; the lack of actual ventilators in ICU's, medical staff are having to choose who to let die in the corridors basically and give the ventilators to the young who have more years ahead of them.'

The vast majority of younger people survive anyway, so no need for ventilators for them.

When people apply to attend a new GP surgery they have to fill out a form which includes: Title and occupation. This not just for genuine medical reasons, but to see if they need to be treated with respect by the GP and whether they are worth spending money on. For example, if they have a PhD then they receive respect, but if they are not working for any reason they are deemed to be of low priority for receipt of healthcare. This is because they are not providing an income for government. They are just a burden in the eyes of the State. The GP role is to deny access to healthcare not to provide it (unless it is inexpensive).

Even if we have enough ventilators (and we have not.. we will need thousands)
we will need thousands of beds free (which we can make by stopping operations except for critical ones)
we don't have enough trained staff..

The NHS has to set some priorities...and whilst I don't want to die early - far better to save someone with 50 years of productive life ahead than an old duffer like me with 20 years of declining health and dementia to look forward to.

So I am determined NOT to catch it...if I can...and live to 110...


I'll go to Beetradex with a PP3mask
(courtesy of OA)

 

[Beefriendly]

Gel. Use AV gel

Indeed, exactly what I used.
Still undissolved lumps.
Although I'm sure it is effective even with the lumps.

 

[For want of a better word]

Why worry we have McAfee to protect us from any virus attack.!!

Covid 19 only kills 2% of those infected.... statistically?

I hear Cornwall Council have plans in place to blockade the bridges and ferry crossings into the County to keep the infected grocklles out,,, Nequay airport included ( not that much is flying since FB crashed.

All seem too little too late, and a considerable amount of scaremongering going on

Our local Mole Valley Farm supplies still had plenty of veterinary and milking hand sanitizer stuff on the shelf, and a good stock of red label bleach in 25 liter cans..... but only on sale to those with a farm account!

Chons da