Compulsory registration?

[Vergilius]

Where's "Nellie" when you need her?!?


Ben P

 

[taff..]

Where's "Nellie" when you need her?!?


Ben P

Nellie is a 'HIM'

 

[Vergilius]

Nellie is a 'HIM'

OOPS!!!

Apologies Nellie...

Ben P

 

[Nellie]

Got nothing really to say on the subject tbh, it'll never work, will cost far more than it'll ever generate in revenue for precisely zero benefit to bees or beekeepers.

Bees are fashionable at the moment, let's see how it's going in 3-4 years time when something cute and fluffy is in fashion instead.

As for Brosville's latest paranoid delusion, quite happy to leave him to it, he seems to enjoy it. Rule whatever of being on the Internet: "Don't feed the troll" and I've been bad at that recently.

 

[Brosville]

Do you honestly believe the fact of the BBKAs involvement with chemical companies is in some way "delusional", or a figment of my diseased imagination?
Have you perchance not heard the interview with Dr Doeser on the subject - me, paranoid and delusional? - I think not!
Blessed trolls spreading disinformation and sticking up for the bunch of charlatans running the BBKA at every opportunity!

 

[Nellie]

Believe I've been openly critical of the BBKA over its, at best, ill judged dealings with the agro-chemical industry but I fail to see how that has any relevance to a discussion over compulsory registration of Beekeepers or colonies.

If, and it's a big if, the Tories decided that it was something worth persuing then I suppose it's a possibility that they'd look at dismantling the bee unit in favour of contracting on the BBKA to run it given their predisposition to sell off public services. But there's a big difference giving a private organisation statutory rights to gain access to your stuff to giving the same (existing) right to a government agency.

Why is the BBKA any more qualified to bid for the contract than Thornes or Maisemore who could probably both claim to hold a significant database of Beekeepers and their locations that could be utilised for the purposes of compulsory registration, taxation or inspection. They might also legitimately claim to be on a much better position to judge who might be understating the number of colonies that they own.

I'm just far more concerned about private companies assuming the roles and responsibilities that belong in the public sector than the BBKA's volcano base and plans for world domination.

 

[greatbritishhoney]

Sounds like it's a fair summation to say that most of us are against the idea of compulsory registration for various different reasons.
I also agree that the popularity of bees and beekeeping will wane over the next few years - the media has a short attention span and eventually something else will become en vogue. As soon as a definitive cause of CCD is found we will never hear another bee-related news story again - it's only interesting to the media if it can be peridically blamed on mobile phones, global warminng etc etc.

 

[victor meldrew]

Got nothing really to say on the subject tbh, it'll never work, will cost far more than it'll ever generate in revenue for precisely zero benefit to bees or beekeepers.

Bees are fashionable at the moment, let's see how it's going in 3-4 years time when something cute and fluffy is in fashion instead.

As for Brosville's latest paranoid delusion, quite happy to leave him to it, he seems to enjoy it. Rule whatever of being on the Internet: "Don't feed the troll" and I've been bad at that recently.

Me too, Guilty as charged .Old Brossy will be main lining dyspepsia medication

John Wilkinson

 

[Brosville]

No point going for medication - certainly shaking my head sadly that there are so many people who'll sit idly by and allow the BBKAs freedom and integrity to be sold out completely to those intent on poisoning the environment for profit.
As for raising that connection in this thread, I think it most apposite - there are those in the organisation keen on empire-building, have tried to grab control of research funding, and are at this very moment cementing closer ties with the pesticide industry - having control of a database of all UK colonies would have them wetting themselves with pleasure (and their bosses in Big Pestco. Inc)
It doesn't take a great leap of imagination to work out what could come out of compulsory registration.

 

[Nellie]

A legislative nightmare that would bankrupt the BBKA? I thought you'd be in favour of it.

 

[Brosville]

I don't want to see it bankrupted (strangely enough) -I want to see it cleansed, root and branch and run on truly democratic lines (for a change) - to give a lean, mean campaigning organisation that'll act on behalf of all beekeepers in the country - and rather than sell out to those poisoning us, campaign vigorously to halt them in their tracks!

 

[victor meldrew]

It doesn't take a great leap of imagination to work out what could come out of compulsory registration.

Great, great leaps of imagination are your forte .
Ooops' I've done it again

John Wilkinson

 

[Hombre]

A bit like identity cards indeed. Good riddance too I say.

 

[Cazza]

A bit like identity cards indeed. Good riddance too I say.

Absolutely, another dim idea bites the dust.....Hurrah
Cazza

 

[blackbrood]

Hell would freeze over before I would be up for compulsory registration of bee hives.

 

[victor meldrew]

I'm not in favour of registration after all I'm a free spirited beekeeper !!
However ,
I picked up a wrapped portion of cheese at a local super market emblazoned with the union flag! , reading the small print informed me that the product was packed in the UK, no hint being given as to the country of origin . A blatant attempt (successful I have no doubt) to con people into thinking the item was entirely produced within the UK.
I was indignant, refused to buy the item .
If registration could realistically outlaw such ruses, then I may, just may, look at the suggestion again .
Alas my brain tells me that patriotism and commerce make uncomfortable bed fellows !

John Wilkinson

 

[louiseww]

In the days of high levels of theft with video players there used to be an invisible pen that you could put your postcode onto the item. If found by the police, or when a raid was in place, these items were easily identifiable with a special light. This could be useful on hives, or something similar.

 

[hedgerow pete]

louiseww as someone how has delt with the police several times about stolen bees and hives can honesty say that the police will not even want to write the crime down let alone go to where they have been stolen from and if you think a soco will turn up you are very sadly mistaken. the whole uv pens and smart water has gone over this forum several times and it splits down to those who belive the police will act and there fore find your stolen property and those like me who think the police are bone idol .

as for compulsory registration of hives i am realy against it , but since we are an open forum lets look at at a few other good ideas the government could do to compulsory registration of chickens, ducks and geese, rabbits or how about fair trade heroin !!! lol

 

[rae]

Registration only works if it has consequences.

So for example, beeks who contract some disease and are seen as the first source, lose their licences..

We registered on Beebase because the consequences are that a bee inspector might show up and tell us what we're doing wrong (highly unlikely to say we're doing everything right).

If it all gets authoritarian, then we will de-register and move the hives to the other field. We will paint the roofs in camouflage so that the UAVs don't spot them, and we shall put dummy hives in the wrong place with small heaters in them, so that the IR cameras are deceived. We could have inflatable hives like the Russians did with their tank decoys... All bees will be required to be camoed up on leaving the hive, and must choose a different route each day.

 

[Easy Beesy]

Hi pete
I thought one was supposed to register owning more than 5 avian species because of the scare with bird flu? Are you suggesting bird/bee owners evade the law? How exciting!
Eb