Brood and a half

[Finman]

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It is extremely difficult to nurse bees in brood and half, or in double brood. That is why I do not use excluder. I do not know, how to use it.

When bees select, they use 3 langstroth brood. Lowest is pollen store room.
No pollen will be stored then to supers. But this system needs very good layers.

 

[eltalia]

huh..?.."emulate", I don't think so
It is you that is SF (your terminology) useless. Can’t read? Don’t understand?
How the F (your terminology) does feeding pollen substitute in Finman’s climate correspond to feeding same in the west midlands of the UK?
Learn to read. Bees have been around a lot longer than you. Yes, before the dinosaurs, even.

Education dramaticly changes the direction of a Life - paradoxicly
such intervention can result in residence within pallative care.
I leave you to swan around in bigotry.

topical - and FTR.
I have never and will never promote feeding bees as that task is
symptomatic of deeper seated apiary management problems.
One exception being the sustanance of Skeps in those heather
apiarys, a special circumstance where small viable colonies
are to be wintered over on little stores.
Another might be queen starters in some climates, the rest is just
Man attempting to drive square pegs into round holes.

Bill

 

[SDM]

, the rest is just
Man attempting to drive square pegs into round holes.

I would expect an American educated Australian Beekeeper to be more understanding of man's inclination to shape both peg and hole, given that honeybees are non native to both.

 

[Finman]

Man attempting to drive square pegs into round holes.

Bill

Even a kock lays eggs if it has to.
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[eltalia]

I would expect an American educated Australian Beekeeper to be more understanding of
man's inclination to shape both peg and hole, given that honeybees are non native to both.

Touché... tho' I register objection to the Seppo slur despite perhaps some
of the Uni modules studied were maybe USA built.. heh

That said; European releases here found a veritable Nirvana compared
to their somewhat miserable origins by comparison.

Bill

 

[SDM]

That said; European releases here found a veritable Nirvana compared
to their somewhat miserable origins by comparison.

Bill

There was nothing miserable about their origin, though it's suffered somewhat since. Climate change however could still see here become the nirvana and Australia more akin to a fiery pit of hell.
Also worth noting that such Nirvana doesn't incline a species to providing surplus, Australia's native honeybee proving that point nicely.

 

[Finman]

That said; European releases here found a veritable Nirvana compared
to their somewhat miserable origins by comparison.

Bill

Nauru Isles must be a Nirvana to many.
.

 

[eltalia]

Also worth noting that such Nirvana doesn't incline a species to providing
surplus, Australia's native honeybee proving that point nicely.

I could only agree with your forecast, the days beyond our passing
I am loathe to dwell on. Yet you go places I fear you know not the
workings of.
To expand..?.. Tets are my specialty, long an interest of mine and
today quite the handsome cash spinner. You could not be more
wrong in your 'proof' were you to propose feeding bees is helpful.
Write up a thread/topic on Tets and we might just educate some folk
beyond the "slap **** on table" dialog(?) ran often in these here
purts.. heh :-D

Bill

 

[SDM]

I could only agree with your forecast, the days beyond our passing
I am loathe to dwell on. Yet you go places I fear you know not the
workings of.
To expand..?.. Tets are my specialty, long an interest of mine and
today quite the handsome cash spinner. You could not be more
wrong in your 'proof' were you to propose feeding bees is helpful.
Write up a thread/topic on Tets and we might just educate some folk
beyond the "slap **** on table" dialog(?) ran often in these here
purts.. heh :-D

Bill

Producing what ? A kg of surplus in the most ideal climate's ?
No surprise the honey you get has scarcity value.

 

[Hebeegeebee]

It's double brood for me - once the colony gets to, say 9, frames of brood if they were not overwintered on double brood.

 

[JWF]

I bet Elton finds the majority of comments on this thread totally useless with regards to his question about brood and a half.

No wonder people can't be bothered to post on here any more (with a few obvious exceptions.

PS it's double brood for me too.

 

[Finman]

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Elton must use his brains, what ever the answers are. And bees will live well without the order of boxes.

 

[x1franpl]

totally agree 2 x brood is very flexible, brood = half is a muddle but it may suite some, i guess it depends if you have the spare equipment needed

I went to a brood and a half last summer because I had a lot of bearding in one of my colonies - what other reasons are there for this?

 

[Beefriendly]

I presume you mean bearding outside the hive?
Overheating is one reason, particularly on those all too rare hot summer evenings. Doesn't always mean you have too many bees. That you need to judge by bee density and number of frames of brood. If say on 8-9 frames of brood it's often (not always) a sign they need more room.

 

[Finman]

I went to a brood and a half last summer because I had a lot of bearding in one of my colonies - what other reasons are there for this?

Other reasons:

- too few space in total hive.
- enlargening is late
- extract the capped honey that bees have place to store nectar, pollen and honey
- too few ventilation
- bees tend to store pollen next to brood. You should have space to do that. Otherwise they store pollen into supers.

When the colony get one box capped honey, it needs two boxes more where they store nectar to rippen.

When you give new space, situate it allways over brood frames under the supers.

You may give a foundation box under the brood box, and bees will draw them.

You may take excluder off, and you will see what happens.
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[x1franpl]

The colony swarmed not long after but it was still the most productive hive I had in 10 years of beekeeping

 

[Finman]

The colony swarmed not long after but it was still the most productive hive I had in 10 years of beekeeping

I bet that the hive was too full of bees.

But you may give more space as you will, but it does not prevent swarming. Swarming is bees' natural instinct to propagate.

When bees swarm, they have to the impulse about 2 weeks ago when the hive was not full.

Keep the beginning of the summer without excluder, and you see how much the queen is able to lay.
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[Gilberdyke John]

There was nothing miserable about their origin, though it's suffered somewhat since. Climate change however could still see here become the nirvana and Australia more akin to a fiery pit of hell.
Also worth noting that such Nirvana doesn't incline a species to providing surplus, Australia's native honeybee proving that point nicely.

You don't think climate has been changing for millennia and will continue to change in the future?

 

[Beefriendly]

Interesting to know how our rapidly changing climate interferes with our locally adapted bees.

 

[x1franpl]

I bet that the hive was too full of bees.

But you may give more space as you will, but it does not prevent swarming. Swarming is bees' natural instinct to propagate.

When bees swarm, they have to the impulse about 2 weeks ago when the hive was not full.

Keep the beginning of the summer without excluder, and you see how much the queen is able to lay.
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I thought there were too many bees that's why I added the super to the brood box. Maybe a commercial is the answer?