Winter oxalic necessary if bees treated with oxalic in autumn?

[jenkinsbrynmair]

How about this one:

Effect of oxalic acid on the mite Varroa destructor and its host the honey bee Apis mellifera

Effect of oxalic acid on the mite Varroa destructor and its host the honey bee Apis mellifera

Journal of Apicultural Research 56, 2017

oxalic acid applied by sublimation did not decrease bee lifespan over the 21 days of observation contrary to trickling, where a nonsignificant lifespan decrease was observed. Topical application of oxalic acid increased the rate of midgut cell apoptosis, with a stronger statistically significant effect seen in the group treated by trickling.

 

[Finman]

That is the problem, you are reading old out of date research, move on and get up to date.

whose problem it is?
.

 

[Hivemaker.]

I can read what I want.

I know you read nothing which is up to date.

This is the best advance on methods of oxalic treatment.

https://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=38743

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I am not here learning. I am teaching.

Really - did anyone ask you to? and does anybody really want to be taught incorrect information?

If I need information, read it directly from researches.

Which you obviously misenterpret, or ignore anything that A) doesn't suit you or B) is less than 30 years old.

 

[Hivemaker.]

whose problem it is?
.

Yours, that's why your out of date.

 

[Finman]

I know you read nothing which is up to date.

This is the best advance on methods of oxalic treatment.

https://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=38743

And when that has become "best advance on method".

 

[Finman]

Yours, that's why your out of date.

Why I must be on date all the time. It does not produce any kilo honey..

 

[Hivemaker.]

And when that has become "best advance on method".

It will be never for you, because your stuck in the past.

Once you used to be really up to date with the various treatments, but now it is like you died about 15 years ago, please come back to life.

 

[Finman]

It will be never for you, because your stuck in the past.

Once you used to be really up to date with the various treatments, but now it is like you died about 15 years ago, please come back to life.

Did I was in this forum 15 years ago.

Is my living measure varroa treatments!

I let you enjoy about your life style. I have my own.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Did I was in this forum 15 years ago.

Now how could you of been...think about it.

Remember, Bubo, he was an up to date beekeeper.

 

[Finman]

Journal of Apicultural Research 56, 2017

oxalic acid applied by sublimation did not decrease bee lifespan over the 21 days of observation contrary to trickling, where a nonsignificant lifespan decrease was observed..

nonsignificant lifespan decrease....... what does it mean?

After treatment bees ought to live 6 months up to May.

Jenkins. How you explain that nonsignificant difference?




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[jenkinsbrynmair]

Jenkins. How you explain that nonsignificant difference?

.

You tell me - you're the one with three degrees - and an expert in non significance

 

[G4WIL]

I have kept bees 30 years, the first 5 were Varroa free! Then it arrived in these parts around 1996 ,
I used bayvoral until it became in effective!
Then resorted to dribbled OA , annually , drone culling and OMFs .
Thymol was a no no as the balsam flow now , is too late for its use .
I no longer drone cull and rely on OA vaping early January .
At the last bee unit health check , my bees had minimum DWV .
No nosema cerana !
I have never lost a colony from disease of Varroa overload .
Only an odd one through mismated late bred Queens .


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[Etton]

Does anyone else trickle and vape the 3 times...belt & braces!

 

[Etton]

Does anyone else trickle and vape the 3 times...belt & braces!

Mean trickle once and vape 3x

 

[SDM]

Autumn I vape multiple times. This year I tried 5 treatments at 4 day intervals.
Then a single winter broodless vape
Drops from my December vape were so low I treated a few a 2nd time.
Zero mites from several , most were 1-10 and just 2 out of 67 had more than 10 drop in the 48hrs after treatment.
When I did my autumn treatment mite levels were high enough in a few that they were going backwards. Last year's mild winter and no brood break being the likely candidate. 3 hives were reduced to single brood, 2 into nucs all 5 seem well now.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Mean trickle once and vape 3x

Why would you?

 

[Nige.Coll]

I don't treat in winter never have. Thought the idea was to kill the mites before the winter bees were reared.
I do treat early spring with oa sublimation and again in autumn.
Never have been a follower of the mainstream teachings.

Never used drizzle method after reading up on it and seeing the damage it does to the bees.

If I thought it was worth the effort I have pages of research that shows OA/syrup ingestion damages the midgut of the bee and can be a pathway for nosema and other nasties but it's pointless.
That's why it's put into syrup not glycerin so the bees eat the damn stuff. If glycerin was used then the mite kill would be the same but no intestinal damage would occur.
ALL research ever done shows OA drizzled colonies have slower spring build up compared to control or sublimated colonies not some all research.