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should this thread become a Sticky ?

theres a wealth information here and alot of
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I was only thinking the very same 20 minutes ago after reading Hivemaker's recipe.

Will sticky it..
 
Thymol

Great post HM. loads of information.Cheers Ainsie.:)
 
The size of one colony is on the shrink...colony had a stressful Winter - now I suspect Nosema. I am thinking of spraying the colony with thymol syrup...what concentration should I use?
 
I would suggest from the preceding discussion, that 5ml or possibly 10m of the tincture to a gallon of syrup is the right strength. The same strength as you would use for feeding the bees in Autumn. They effectively take it down by licking each other and once they have had some, I believe that the theory is that they will feel better and start taking it from the feeder. The natural antiseptic properties of Thymol misted around the bees on the frames probably has additional benefits over and above being consumed.
 
Jez, yes but far to big a quantity,you would never use it all,below is a link to the one i have and use, 250g......top one.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&...=aps&hvadid=3120487706&ref=pd_sl_2lrhnzur25_e

http://www.healthstore.uk.com/p411454/lanes-lecigran-lecithin-granules-250g.html

HM, ok I ordered the first and it arrived yesterday thanks.

So i have the Lecigran Lecithin Granules, Thymol powder, and a syrup 1:1 mixture, any guidance on mixing these three or is there another component that I need too?

Cheers

Jez
 
sorted :) I should read first lol
 
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I'm looking to mix this.
The surgical spirit I have says it contains 95% industrial methylated spirit.
Is this OK?
 
Emulsified thymol pre mix.

30g thymol crystals placed in honey jar,add 5ml of isopropyl alcohol to the crystals,place jar into a water bath of boiling water to speed up the dissolving process.
In another jar pour in 140 ml of boiling water and add 1 teaspoon of lecithin granules, stir well,and place this jar into a water bath of boiling water,stirring often for abot ten minutes or so until most of the lecithin granules have dissolved,you can then strain this mixture through a teastrainer or similar to remove any granules that have not dissolved fully,then simply add the dissolved thymol to this mix,and shake well,will look just like a jar of milk.
To use add 5ml to each gallon of syrup and stir well,syrup will go milky,unlike when using the old original mix.
If the mixture forms any crystals at a later date,tip into old small pan and reheat,do this outdoors.

trying this today, x fingers
 
done, no issues, keep windows open but it only takes 15mins to make up - nice and milky at the end, a warning don’t shake a hot jar with liquid in as the pressure forces it out :) other than that its easy once you have the ingredients.

No sure if other spirits can be used but I suspect so, a rock of Thymol disolved in 2-3 mins.

Thanks to HM fo this.

JD
 
jezd

Where did you get the alchohol?

ebay, just order "ISOPROPANOL IPA Isopropyl Alcohol 99.9% Pure (125ml)"

its more than enough given you only need 5ml to disolve it

also, get a small syringe too, the one I used for oxalic (50ml) is too big really
 
Emulsified thymol pre mix.

30g thymol crystals placed in honey jar,add 5ml of isopropyl alcohol to the crystals,place jar into a water bath of boiling water to speed up the dissolving process.
In another jar pour in 140 ml of boiling water and add 1 teaspoon of lecithin granules, stir well,and place this jar into a water bath of boiling water,stirring often for abot ten minutes or so until most of the lecithin granules have dissolved,you can then strain this mixture through a teastrainer or similar to remove any granules that have not dissolved fully,then simply add the dissolved thymol to this mix,and shake well,will look just like a jar of milk.
To use add 5ml to each gallon of syrup and stir well,syrup will go milky,unlike when using the old original mix.
If the mixture forms any crystals at a later date,tip into old small pan and reheat,do this outdoors.

Will this taint the honey in the hive in any away ?
 
Okay,will start by saying last spring i tested every colony for nosema, had 20+ colonys with heavy nosema infection,started to treat in the very mild weather in feb, they all responded really well to treatment,some were later given complete comb changes,but not all,later in spring a few more colonys also got nosema that previously tested clear,obviously drinking from the same contaminated water supply that had been crapped over by some of the infected colonys,so every hive in the affected apairys were treated.

Last autumn every full size colony and nuc was fed down with thymolated syrup,this spring have yet to find any signs of nosema in any colony,even weaker one's,and even in the one's that previously had very heavy nosema and had no comb changes,these colonys are in fact boiling over with bee's at the moment and many have had second brood chambers added,some were over wintered on double broods and are incredibly strong,some will be having two nuc's taken from each one very soon. Also as a slight side note i have detected no varroa mites in the vast majority of hives,very very few in some,and no oxalic used at all,reminds me of pre 2002 when i always fed thymolated syrup.

Poly Hive..........
The original recipe is simply 30g of thymol crystals dissolved in 150 of surgical spirit or isopropyl alcohol.........will keep indefinately and you add up to five ml of this per gallon of syrup feed,or if to simply stop fermentation 5ml per 3 gallons.
Problem with the above mixture is the oil tends to float on top of the syrup,obviously some of it is in the entire mix,but not in an equal suspension,so therefore not being stored in the combs as i would like it,and i believe is more effective if emulsified.

If you wish to carry out your own test add 10ml to a bucket containing 2 gallons of syrup,allow to settle,then with a thin tube syphon some surup from the bottom of the bucket into a clean cup,then take some syrup from the top of the bucket into another cup....then smell the difference....taste it..see which one gets you spitting for a few minutes.

Emulsified thymol pre mix.

30g thymol crystals placed in honey jar,add 5ml of isopropyl alcohol to the crystals,place jar into a water bath of boiling water to speed up the dissolving process.
In another jar pour in 140 ml of boiling water and add 1 teaspoon of lecithin granules, stir well,and place this jar into a water bath of boiling water,stirring often for abot ten minutes or so until most of the lecithin granules have dissolved,you can then strain this mixture through a teastrainer or similar to remove any granules that have not dissolved fully,then simply add the dissolved thymol to this mix,and shake well,will look just like a jar of milk.
To use add 5ml to each gallon of syrup and stir well,syrup will go milky,unlike when using the old original mix.
If the mixture forms any crystals at a later date,tip into old small pan and reheat,do this outdoors.
There are also other feed supplements availible such as vita feed,and nosevit ect,i have never tried these so cannot make any comment on them,but i will sure be sticking to what i know works well.

Ps in the past i have on occasion added two teaspoons of the old original mix 10ml per gallon with no ill effects on the bee's at all,but 5ml is plenty.

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