What did you do in the Apiary today?

[The Poot]

You have the wrong guy, he is most probably using gobble speak to persuade of his own views. I will consult my Nephew and report back.

Thanks

 

[Penninetrader]

Thanks

No problem to install, he tells me that if you so wish you can even install yourself.Further he has a new Worcester oil boiler rated up to 30kw surplus to his requrements that can be purchased at half price. He will text me the details later and will post details if that interests you. Seems a lot of people misinformation to suit their own agendas. My Nephew is qualified and registered to install heat pump, lpg,line gas and the only one not requiring legal certification is the oil, so there you go.

 

[The Poot]

No problem to install, he tells me that if you so wish you can even install yourself.Further he has a new Worcester oil boiler rated up to 30kw surplus to his requrements that can be purchased at half price. He will text me the details later and will post details if that interests you. Seems a lot of people misinformation to suit their own agendas. My Nephew is qualified and registered to install heat pump, lpg,line gas and the only one not requiring legal certification is the oil, so there you go.

That’s interesting, thank you. There’s no way I could install myself, so I’ll make some further enquiries through a different engineer.
Whereabouts is your nephew located?

 

[Penninetrader]

That’s interesting, thank you. There’s no way I could install myself, so I’ll make some further enquiries through a different engineer.
Whereabouts is your nephew located?

North Manchester area, even if you only need his advice let me know and I will forward his number. If you do call him a word of warning, you will be swept into a very strange world of variables,, options and technicalities. He is quite a clever lad, many other plumbers rely on his wiring skills for complex control situations.

 

[Garry R]

We have an oil boiler which will celebrate its 50th anniversary in 2025 - still have the installation certificate. It still works fine although it was treated to a new timeclock last year. The service guy has told me that it runs at slightly less efficiency compared to a new one. All parts except the water jacket are available so if and when it goes that will be the end of it. He also said the new ones are not built like battleships like the old ones. He also said the the extra efficiency costs would never cover the cost of replacement so stick with the old one.

 

[Sutty]

I live in a rural village with no gas. The property has a 14.4kWh electric boiler on its own phase. It’s old but works well, but is unaffordable. I looked into replacing it with kerosene, but apparently, as I have electric heating, I’m not allowed to change to oil, as it would utterly destroy the environment.

Out of curiosity - what happens if you install on anyway?

 

[JamezF]

Out of curiosity - what happens if you install on anyway?

Selling the property may become a problem as you're supposed to have some sort of "certificate of conformity" these days I believe. Qualified installers can issue one themselves as long as they're following the rules. A self-install would probably require dealing with the local council's building control department (and a huge amount of faff to put together all the paperwork they'd require). Either way you're not likely to get one unless all the necessary rules are met.

If you're not likely to be selling for a couple of decades or you're only planning on leaving the property in a box and you're happy for it to be your heirs' problem then I imagine it doesn't matter that much as long as you don't burn the house down either

James

 

[Penninetrader]

Selling the property may become a problem as you're supposed to have some sort of "certificate of conformity" these days I believe. Qualified installers can issue one themselves as long as they're following the rules. A self-install would probably require dealing with the local council's building control department (and a huge amount of faff to put together all the paperwork they'd require). Either way you're not likely to get one unless all the necessary rules are met.

If you're not likely to be selling for a couple of decades or you're only planning on leaving the property in a box and you're happy for it to be your heirs' problem then I imagine it doesn't matter that much as long as you don't burn the house down either

James

No building control issues with oil boilers, especially on existing properties, entirely your own business and no restrictions. When I stated, on advice from an expert in these matters, that you can install yourself, that was in legal terms unlike a gas boiler, he was not speaking of competency or skillset. I just had a check of the Worcester boiler my Nephew was referring to and they are circa £2200, so much more expensive than a gas boiler. But longevity and needs must makes the decision for you. If selling a property a full set of current pro checks are now necessary, a previous install of many years back certificate original or otherwise would carry no weight. Just move on to what suits you now and let tomorrow take care of itself.

 

[JamezF]

No building control issues with oil boilers, especially on existing properties, entirely your own business and no restrictions.

The gov.uk website appears to disagree with you. Under the heading "Some examples of work that you do need to tell a Building Control Body about unless you use an installer who is registered with a Competent Person Scheme" it lists: "installation of a new or replacement heating system or boiler, regardless of fuel type".

James

 

[Penninetrader]

The gov.uk website appears to disagree with you. Under the heading "Some examples of work that you do need to tell a Building Control Body about unless you use an installer who is registered with a Competent Person Scheme" it lists: "installation of a new or replacement heating system or boiler, regardless of fuel type".

James

Competent being the key and therein lies the legal part I refer to. Building reg boys will gather to themselves unbounded powers unless challenged. I have spent a lifetime professionally dealing with this world and don't rely on a quick read via t'tinternet to offer guidance. My Nephew has all the legal qualifications and certifications for this type of work, my own son has also recently become gas safe registered even though I trained him as a carpenter. We have a family of very competent and respected tradesmen craftsmen. Mediocrity and just getting by does not cut it in our company. We bore the backsides off of people at parties and get togethers discussing many practical and technical issues, on lookers totally bemused.The plant room work my Nephew performs on behalf of NHS injured victims is of a very very high standard just for example.

 

[JamezF]

Competent being the key and therein lies the legal part I refer to.

"Competent Person Scheme" however, means something specific and is defined in the regs. In the gas world it means that you must be Gas Safe registered. There is no alternative. In the oil world it means that you must have persuaded at least one of a number of different (listed) organisations of your ability. If you haven't done that, then to comply with the law you have no choice but to involve Building Control. It used to be much more vague, but no longer.

James

 

[Penninetrader]

"Competent Person Scheme" however, means something specific and is defined in the regs. In the gas world it means that you must be Gas Safe registered. There is no alternative. In the oil world it means that you must have persuaded at least one of a number of different (listed) organisations of your ability. If you haven't done that, then to comply with the law you have no choice but to involve Building Control. It used to be much more vague, but no longer.

James

nIf building control was involved in all such circumstance they would absolutely freak out, do you realise the extent of the notifiables ? In the real world competent means just that, it is extremely unlikely that anyone would install an oil boiler without competence. Many so called qualified would not know where to start. for example your competence will be detremined at the MOT testing of your vehicle, they will care less who undertakes the work as long as it is up to standard, when it comes to building control they themselves have no competence on many matters and so rely on credentials but again they do not have capacity to undertake the inspections in the manner you believe. What bodies are recognised by all building control offices in regards an oil boiler installation ? the only consideration you should have is whether the manufacturer accepts the installation is up to their standards to cover any guarantee. I think you worry too much about authority. In the mean time I am hoping you get that lock sorted, I currently have a door card removed from my Saab after having problems with a door lock and lack confidence for the moment to replace it. When you do solve it I will raise a glass to your indomitable resolve, lesser men would have cut the damn door off.

 

[Curly green finger's]

Wish I lived without neighbours. I have a problem with a really bad smell when wind from south and south west. I think my neighbours have installed a new heating system this year.
Living in part of an old rectory with leaky windows I can't escape the smell. I suspect some sort of waste oil or diesel heater. Or we have a budding Walter White whose cooking up something. Smell is that (breaking) bad.
Suggestions?

Waste oil I would say, I have the same problem sometimes.
I dowt there cooking up blue c meth amphetimine .
I like what you wrote there too I’ve watched breaking bad series and the series with the dodgy lawyer

 

[Sutty]

Waste oil I would say, I have the same problem sometimes.
I dowt there cooking up blue c meth amphetimine .
I like what you wrote there too I’ve watched breaking bad series and the series with the dodgy lawyer

There's another sort??

 

[Curly green finger's]

There's another sort??

Call Saul I think it’s called.
I think estate agents are more dodgy from my past experience, we did a landscaping project for one some years ago it was a huge project which lasted almost 12 months, when we went to the meeting to sigh the contract and payment arrangements on the contract it was supposed to be monthly payments but instead he pulled out a brief with £35k in it in cash , his words “will that keep you going for a bit “ we were shocked and subsequent payment had to be made properly into the bank.
So yeah estate agents are dodgy receiving back handers for who knows what.

 

[Penninetrader]

Thanks

I thought more on this, I think the most sensible approach would be to find someone in your area who.servicds and repairs oil boilers for the best advice and possibly install for you. I also wondered about your plans for oil storage

 

[The Poot]

I thought more on this, I think the most sensible approach would be to find someone in your area who.servicds and repairs oil boilers for the best advice and possibly install for you. I also wondered about your plans for oil storage

I agree, that’s the best route forward. Oil storage shouldn’t be an issue, but the route for the supply pipe might be!

 

[holmbee]

We have an oil boiler which will celebrate its 50th anniversary in 2025 - still have the installation certificate. It still works fine although it was treated to a new timeclock last year. The service guy has told me that it runs at slightly less efficiency compared to a new one. All parts except the water jacket are available so if and when it goes that will be the end of it. He also said the new ones are not built like battleships like the old ones. He also said the the extra efficiency costs would never cover the cost of replacement so stick with the old one.

That is exactly what my heating engineer said to me. My boiler is also just over 50 years old.

 

[holmbee]

That’s interesting, thank you. There’s no way I could install myself, so I’ll make some further enquiries through a different engineer.
Whereabouts is your nephew located?

If you PM me with your location, I may be able to recommend an oil boiler service person.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

It was the heating engineer I had hoped would do the work. A boiler change would have to recorded with some form of building control folk, he said, and they would not approve the job and take him to task over it. I haven’t followed up on it since, so don’t know any more than that.

Plenty of reasonably new high efficiency oil boilers come up on eBay or similar sites with green enthusiasts swapping to heat pumps. With such sourcing installation doesn't begin with a paper trail. After that it's up to you. You should have the benefit of a boiler that's been set up for combustion before reaching you. Do make sure your oil tank location complies with current standards and get hold of a technical guide to make sure everything is compliant.