USA Colony Losses

[Erichalfbee]

bloody vogons again!

Not just them
Livestock too
https://www.agindustries.org.uk/resource/livestock-and-soya-fequently-asked-questions.html

 

[JamezF]

bloody vogons again!

Could be that it's for animal feed for meat?

James

 

[Moobee]

Ble

Blessed are the cheesemakers

And all other manufacturers of dairy based products…

 

[Moobee]

I spoke to a researcher last night, who is investigating the big losses in migratory operations in the past year. He has found something quite concerning. Upon testing live bees in hives now located in the Almond orchards have huge levels of imidiacloprid. He said that many of the live bees have levels over 1000 ppb. It seems that the contaminated bees can live for awhile with such high levels of the insecticide, but most are dead a week after testing. He began testing bees in California almonds as soon as the losses were being reported. The imidacloprid exposure is from soybeans.

Sorry if it’s a dim question, but how would he know the exposure is from soybeans and not another crop?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Sorry if it’s a dim question, but how would he know the exposure is from soybeans and not another crop?

it's the US, they only do monoculture with barren lifeless strips in between

 

[Michael Palmer]

Sorry if it’s a dim question, but how would he know the exposure is from soybeans and not another crop?

Not dim at all. The vast majority of imidacloprid used in the US is on soy. I’ll post a link to his study when it is published. Should be soon as his presentation was at the ABF meeting.

 

[Moobee]

Not dim at all. The vast majority of imidacloprid used in the US is on soy. I’ll post a link to his study when it is published. Should be soon as his presentation was at the ABF meeting.

Thank you

 

[Firefly]

Not dim at all. The vast majority of imidacloprid used in the US is on soy. I’ll post a link to his study when it is published. Should be soon as his presentation was at the ABF meeting.

Thanks Michael for taking us round full circle - I enjoyed the meandering through splats and Vogons, but neither of them had any answers

Not everyone may realise that imidiacloprid is a neonicotinoid, which of course sets all the alarm bells ringing

I found a study that says soy is a much more significant source of nectar - and presumably pollen - than people had historically realised. The journalist does not raise the pesticide issue, but two commenters do below the story

This does not rule out issues like stress, monocropping and viruses, of course, but it could be another hole in the boat. The unique feature of CCD, as reported, is that the collapsed hives are empty, not full of dead bees, which suggests some factor that is causing highly abnormal behaviour prior to death. Neonic dressings on soy is not new, so other factors might be a reason why some years are worse than others

I'm encouraged by the point that the federal authorities are more on the case this time, unless president Musk has dismantled them, of course

 

[Penninetrader]

Thanks Michael for taking us round full circle - I enjoyed the meandering through splats and Vogons, but neither of them had any answers

Not everyone may realise that imidiacloprid is a neonicotinoid, which of course sets all the alarm bells ringing

I found a study that says soy is a much more significant source of nectar - and presumably pollen - than people had historically realised. The journalist does not raise the pesticide issue, but two commenters do below the story

This does not rule out issues like stress, monocropping and viruses, of course, but it could be another hole in the boat. The unique feature of CCD, as reported, is that the collapsed hives are empty, not full of dead bees, which suggests some factor that is causing highly abnormal behaviour prior to death. Neonic dressings on soy is not new, so other factors might be a reason why some years are worse than others

I'm encouraged by the point that the federal authorities are more on the case this time, unless president Musk has dismantled them, of course

With the appointment of JFK it would seem reasonable that anything food related will not be overlooked, one of his biggies is chemical treatment of crops. The very first meeting he had was with Monsanto. Health is very high on the list of priorities for the Trump administration, they are looking to the youth for continuity beyond his term.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Health is very high on the list of priorities for the Trump administration

 

[Penninetrader]

He who laughs last

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

is usually a bit slow on the uptake

 

[JamezF]

I've often wondered why interviewers aren't a little more forceful when challenging people such as RFK Jr when they flat-out deny statements they have made previously. For instance in a podcast in July 2023 he said "There’s no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective." (it's on YouTube) and four months later denied he'd ever said it and accused the interviewer of making it up.

Surely all that would be required would be to present them with the actual evidence there and then, rather than just referencing something that everyone can find? But of course if they did that then politicians would just refuse to give interviews to anyone who might challenge them.

James

 

[Penninetrader]

I've often wondered why interviewers aren't a little more forceful when challenging people such as RFK Jr when they flat-out deny statements they have made previously. For instance in a podcast in July 2023 he said "There’s no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective." (it's on YouTube) and four months later denied he'd ever said it and accused the interviewer of making it up.

Surely all that would be required would be to present them with the actual evidence there and then, rather than just referencing something that everyone can find? But of course if they did that then politicians would just refuse to give interviews to anyone who might challenge them.

James

That was your negative and I will respond with my positive, a food dye that is carcinogenic has now been banned due to RFK, your move

 

[JamezF]

That was your negative and I will respond with my positive, a food dye that is carcinogenic has now been banned due to RFK, your move

You appear to think this is some sort of competition. I am interested in why politicians are not more robustly questioned about the blatantly contradictory statements that they make. Perhaps the world would be a better place were they not allowed to get away with such dishonesty so easily.

For what it's worth, I'm really not sure who might have been responsible for banning Red No. 3 (I assume that's the one you're talking about) given that the FDA announced it at least four weeks before RFK Jr was confirmed as Health and Human Services Secretary. It appears to have been an action that has been in process since 2022 and as far as I can determine the final decision was actually made and announced even before Trump was inaugurated.

James

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I'm sure RFK was unsure whether he should stuff it up his nose or just mainline it.

 

[JamezF]

I'm sure RFK was unsure whether he should stuff it up his nose or just mainline it.

Makes a change from heroin, perhaps

James

 

[Penninetrader]

You appear to think this is some sort of competition. I am interested in why politicians are not more robustly questioned about the blatantly contradictory statements that they make. Perhaps the world would be a better place were they not allowed to get away with such dishonesty so easily.

For what it's worth, I'm really not sure who might have been responsible for banning Red No. 3 (I assume that's the one you're talking about) given that the FDA announced it at least four weeks before RFK Jr was confirmed as Health and Human Services Secretary. It appears to have been an action that has been in process since 2022 and as far as I can determine the final decision was actually made and announced even before Trump was inaugurated.

James

In process since 22 but got actioned as RFK was due to take over. There have been a lot of those as soon as Trump was elected and exponentially more as each of his candidates looked likely to be confirmed. Not a competition but as you feel as you do regarding food it would seem to me that championing someone who has spent decades fighting big pharma and harmful agrochemicals would be the right thing to do. We can all pull people down but that will achieve absolutely nothing. He has the fight of his life in this and I wish him well. The odds are stacked so high against him and any little piece he wins will benefit all of us. He has much to be proud of and many who are grateful for his campaigns, he is the scurge of big pharma and big chemical co's. Again I wish him well in this fight.

 

[Penninetrader]

Makes a change from heroin, perhaps

James

You must point to your achievements that go beyond the typical British snide comments,, what have we come to.

 

[JamezF]

You must point to your achievements that go beyond the typical British snide comments,, what have we come to.

Well he did admit to being a heroin user for many years. Even got convicted for possession.

James