Tesco pulls honey off shelves amid purity concerns

[Penninetrader]

as most people have worked out a long time ago - it's the usual crackpot anti vaxer type brigade vying to find some relevance

And in what manner would you like to defend the latest round of so called vaccines ? have you kept up to speed with the science on the subject matter, clearly not. And crackpot I clearly am not. As for climate change and it's ridiculous crackpot lefty nonsense, spaffing the nations wealth on ridiculous projects destroying our environment via the instructions of the worlds all powerful. Let us deal with provable reality not ever shifting projections which never materialise. The reality is that we are and have been had, well not me that is for sure, even rudimentary knowledge of what is happening in other parts of the world, regarding the use of fossil fuels. and what it would require to reach this imaginary net zero makes you realise this is the scam and fraud of a scale mankind has never seen before. Do the numbers, always do the numbers. Keep in mind debt for asset swaps, our increasing debt is their route map to own us, FOR EVER

 

[Erichalfbee]

The reality is that we are and have been had, well not me that is for sure, even rudimentary knowledge of what is happening in other parts of the world, regarding the use of fossil fuels. and what it would require to reach this imaginary net zero makes you realise this is the scam and fraud of a scale mankind has never seen before. Do the numbers, always do the numbers. Keep in mind debt for asset swaps, our increasing debt is their route map to own us, FOR EVER

Me neither and I feel completely helpless
I'm glad, in a way, that at 73 I won't see the ruination of this land

 

[Murox]

In the US they jailed illegal importers of Chinese Honey.
In the UK, they run supermarkets

I think Tesco and probably most similar companies, choose to work/do business with people they can easily influence and have broadly similar values to themselves. Being seen to be a company with integrity has to be good for the company's image, it attracts customers. There are of course companies out there that do the right thing, day in and day out but seldom attract headlines such as these which will, I am sure, be to the advantage of Tesco.

 

[Penninetrader]

Me neither and I feel completely helpless
I'm glad, in a way, that at 73 I won't see the ruination of this land

I worry for my.grandchildren, they will be the ones who will have to spend a lifetime undoing the harm these scoundrels will have inflicted on their world

 

[Penninetrader]

On a positive note, the mum in law of a niece, who returned from Aus for xmas yesterday, last evening tells me that she runs a card shop in Stockport and says that she sells honey for a local Beek. This good lady sells the honey with no mark up. Her end of things is to receive the odd jar now and again.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

crackpot I clearly am not.

jury's definitely out on that one going by the majority of your posts

 

[ericbeaumont]

In the US they jailed illegal importers of Chinese Honey.
In the UK, they run supermarkets

I like the analogy, but to be fair, there are differences between the two.

Chinese-US honey fraud was discovered in the early part of this century; the illegality was that either imports were labelled as sugar syrup (thus avoiding US anti-dumping law) or that Chinese honey was mis-represented as originating in countries such as Poland, the Phillipines or Mongolia, or that the honeys contained the prohibited AFB antibiotics Chloramphenicol or Tetracycline.

This report is an easy read of US Gov. cases prosecuted in that period, and though the scale of crimininalty is shocking, it is probably a drop in the ocean in comparison with other food or manufacturing fraud.

The desire at that time to mis-represent Chinese honey looks to have been driven by an earlier US Gov. decision (in 2001) to triple import tariffs of Chinese honey in response to artifically low prices of that product (you can guess why prices may have been low). The duties were 221% of declared value!

The Honey Launderers (get a cuppa & a cosy chair) tells the human side of the story: honey tasting of sauerkraut, devious emails, shady chats over pizza, an unmarked Chevy Impala and enough dishonest excitements and fake documents to make a reasonable movie.

On the other hand, the issue of Chinese honey entering the EU & UK is not that it enters the food chain illegally (even though it may adulterated), but that our historic label regulations allow it to arrive incognito, under the vague tiny-print phrase 'Produce of EU and non-EU countries'. At last, those regs. will be tightened, but no doubt fraudsters will work hard to remain ahead in the game.

 

[Penninetrader]

I like the analogy, but to be fair, there are differences between the two.

Chinese-US honey fraud was discovered in the early part of this century; the illegality was that either imports were labelled as sugar syrup (thus avoiding US anti-dumping law) or that Chinese honey was mis-represented as originating in countries such as Poland, the Phillipines or Mongolia, or that the honeys contained the prohibited AFB antibiotics Chloramphenicol or Tetracycline.

This report is an easy read of US Gov. cases prosecuted in that period, and though the scale of crimininalty is shocking, it is probably a drop in the ocean in comparison with other food or manufacturing fraud.

The desire at that time to mis-represent Chinese honey looks to have been driven by an earlier US Gov. decision (in 2001) to triple import tariffs of Chinese honey in response to artifically low prices of that product (you can guess why prices may have been low). The duties were 221% of declared value!

The Honey Launderers (get a cuppa & a cosy chair) tells the human side of the story: honey tasting of sauerkraut, devious emails, shady chats over pizza, an unmarked Chevy Impala and enough dishonest excitements and fake documents to make a reasonable movie.

On the other hand, the issue of Chinese honey entering the EU & UK is not that it enters the food chain illegally (even though it may adulterated), but that our historic label regulations allow it to arrive incognito, under the vague tiny-print phrase 'Produce of EU and non-EU countries'. At last, those regs. will be tightened, but no doubt fraudsters will work hard to remain ahead in the game.

We are on the whole becoming more aware. A case in point for me personally was a discussion last evening with one of our extended family. One of her grandchildren having a bad case of eczema, she said that so many things are common now that were not when she was a child, her conclusion and instinct it being food related. She herself has returned to making all her own food and rejecting processed. Smart lady.

 

[Penninetrader]

jury's definitely out on that one going by the majority of your posts

Of my peers, being of common sense, honest, open minded and not corrupted by being a beneficiary in any form whether by employ, grants or status of this fraud. I will accept their verdict

 

[Karol]

jury's definitely out on that one going by the majority of your posts

What I don't understand about you JBM is that given your charitable endeavours in Africa you advocate for a climate policy designed to suppress peoples of the third world.

 

[judy12]

Could we please stop this stupid argument that's going nowhere and just making people angry. Of course one side's correct and the other side's bonkers but neither can convince the other in this sort of forum.

 

[Erichalfbee]

so many things are common now that were not when she was a child, her conclusion and instinct it being food related.

Indeed and I think many oncologists agree. Many cancers (including the one I suffered from and have now become an expert in) that were the scourge of old age are now being seen in much younger adults.

 

[Penninetrader]

Could we please stop this stupid argument that's going nowhere and just making people angry. Of course one side's correct and the other side's bonkers but neither can convince the other in this sort of forum.

I think as Beeks, and most of our other interests interlinked around nature puts us at the forefront of this debate. This subject and it's effects on mankind are not going away. It is the single most important issue of our time imho. I personally will not March along to their end game quietly whether it be here or any other place that has a forum of interested parties. If kept polite and sometimes with humor I see no problem whatsoever. As with a TV one can choose to tune in or not, there are always other channels and or subjects. I have no problem debating with others who have equally strong views as my own.

 

[Karol]

We are on the whole becoming more aware. A case in point for me personally was a discussion last evening with one of our extended family. One of her grandchildren having a bad case of eczema, she said that so many things are common now that were not when she was a child, her conclusion and instinct it being food related. She herself has returned to making all her own food and rejecting processed. Smart lady.

Great if you can invest the time. Not remotely possible if you are an overworked healthcare professional. The thing that scares me most is recycled plastics being used in primary food packaging including plastic packaging for pourable honey. No way is it a safe practice to have zillions of cancer inducing poly aromatic hydrocarbons leaching out of plastic packaging because it has been recycled. You only have to look at the shabby brown opalescence of disposable drinks bottles to know there's a latent problem there. By all means recycle plastics. But use them in non food applications.

 

[Penninetrader]

Great if you can invest the time. Not remotely possible if you are an overworked healthcare professional. The thing that scares me most is recycled plastics being used in primary food packaging including plastic packaging for pourable honey. No way is it a safe practice to have zillions of cancer inducing poly aromatic hydrocarbons leaching out of plastic packaging because it has been recycled. You only have to look at the shabby brown opalescence of disposable drinks bottles to know there's a latent problem there. By all means recycle plastics. But use them in non food applications.

You have made my point, in your own way via your expertise have alerted myself and others to dangers which may affect our health, and thank you for that. Now to deal with your inexcusable excuse :}, you are clearly smart enough to prepare and shop in such a manner to accommodate your limited time. My sis in law is a chef who does crazy hours and has to rely on the less professional for a decent meal at times, one thing she does do is to prepare proper porridge for her whole work week in one go, she then portions it so a quick warm in the microwave+a little fruit+honey provides a good start to her day. Just saying.

 

[Erichalfbee]

prepare proper porridge

Organic jumbo oats made with full fat milk straight from the farm across the valley, cooked in a porringer for an hour.....add honey and fruit.....heaven
I shall even eschew smoked salmon/scrambled eggs for Christmas breakfast in favour of said porride.....but keep the Bucks fizz

 

[Wilco]

You have made my point, in your own way via your expertise have alerted myself and others to dangers which may affect our health, and thank you for that. Now to deal with your inexcusable excuse :}, you are clearly smart enough to prepare and shop in such a manner to accommodate your limited time. My sis in law is a chef who does crazy hours and has to rely on the less professional for a decent meal at times, one thing she does do is to prepare proper porridge for her whole work week in one go, she then portions it so a quick warm in the microwave+a little fruit+honey provides a good start to her day. Just saying.

Whilst I tend to agree with you, I'm not sure he's talking about himself as much as NHS employees in general. Also a chef knows the importance of proper food and has passion for it, probably more than the average healthcare worker as nutrition teaching is far too rudimentary in most human healthcare professions.

 

[ericbeaumont]

Organic jumbo oats

Flahavan's?

 

[Penninetrader]

Whilst I tend to agree with you, I'm not sure he's talking about himself as much as NHS employees in general. Also a chef knows the importance of proper food and has passion for it, probably more than the average healthcare worker as nutrition teaching is far too rudimentary in most human healthcare professions.

You are right, too little attention paid to keeping good health in those who look after our health

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

What I don't understand about you JBM is that given your charitable endeavours in Africa you advocate for a climate policy designed to suppress peoples of the third world.

In your rather blinkered opinion - and not in many others