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For me private messages mean exactly that. However, coming from an it background all the messages will in a MySQL database clear text any good admin could read them if wanted.

You do need to make it clear though if messages are being read as would royal mail If they did such thing :).

For me this forum is an amazing resource lets try and all get along.
 
For me private messages mean exactly that. However, coming from an it background all the messages will in a MySQL database clear text any good admin could read them if wanted.

You do need to make it clear though if messages are being read as would royal mail If they did such thing :).

For me this forum is an amazing resource lets try and all get along.

:iagree: with all that.

One thing I would add is that the rules are not prominent or explicit. If there is something about personal messages, I have not seen it. That's either the confidentiality, or the protocol of how commercial suppliers are expected to behave in responding to 'want' postings.

Confidentiality is a tricky one, since anyone with access to the raw data can read the messages. That's data centre people as well as anyone with admin rights within the application. Anything else needs encryption and we're in a whole new field of complexity. The simplest way to administer messages is to assume they are no more confidential than emails, analogous to postcards. In the normal course of events, they are not public, but the postie can read them as can anyone at the sorting office. If someone is accused of spamming, or bullying by pm for example they should expect to have that investigated.

As to protocol, there are plenty of examples of non-commercial posted responses of the type'I have a couple spare, pm sent'. If that is not permitted or it is but the rules are different for a commercial producer it's not written anywhere I have seen it. Posting ads is there, but nothing about pms. Should the rules be different? Perhaps they should since otherwise far larger outfits who will always have stocks can immediately reply to any 'wanted' post. On the other hand, it does avoid someone wasting time posting a response with a couple of suggestions when the original poster has already had half a dozen pms from the regular suppliers who have an account on the forum.

Is a pm only response permitted? It appears to be what is expected by a commercial supplier in response to a direct request. That is, send pms to known individuals asking about their stock. Again, not forbidden to respond to a general request anywhere I have read it, but is it against the spirit of no advertising? The danger is that all suppliers would be expected to pm to every wanted post. While not exactly spam, since it's solicited, it's not far off spam behaviour. What about something novel? If you are the only importer or maker of some unique bit of kit or branded item, do you stay silent or send a pm to be helpful?
 
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Just as well I wasn't able to PM anyone or I would have made the same mistake!

I decided to call the queen supplier in Cyprus and will get some from him. He is very helpful and knowledgeable. I have heard good comments about his queens
 
data protection act springs to mind,if you send a private message to someone and that message is intercepted in any way without the authors knowledge then i beleive that is in breach of the dat prtoection act.

It is very low for private messages to be viewed by another and if this is occurring then it needs to stop.
 
Reading the replies in this topic, there are questionable ethical practices, at best.
By definition, private messages are private unless otherwise stated.
Read admin's previous post!
And any forum admin that installs such a hack is a lowlife and doesn't deserve the respect or patronage of his membership,
That is a bit of a low comment as well - before you pile in gather all the facts!
data protection act springs to mind,if you send a private message to someone and that message is intercepted in any way without the authors knowledge then i beleive that is in breach of the dat prtoection act.

It is very low for private messages to be viewed by another and if this is occurring then it needs to stop.

I think you all need to take a deep breath and look at the facts before slinging muck - it is evident that the Bees4u stated in the open forum that he was about to send a PM to the OP offering to sell queens - Admin picked up on that - he wasn't sat in a dark room tapping everyone's PM's FFS! so the only person in breach of any rule was bees4U

There seems to be a surplus of horses over 18 hands on this forum at the moment I'm probably not the only one getting fed up!!:cuss:
 
In our part of the world, beekeepers like their bees rarely reach their full potential, so there is always this underlying frustration and like the dark bee they are always on the lookout for someone or something to sting.
I feel better now on this damp muggy Monday morning.
 
In our part of the world, beekeepers like their bees rarely reach their full potential, so there is always this underlying frustration and like the dark bee they are always on the lookout for someone or something to sting.
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Heresy. AMM bees are best tempered in the world...err.. err.
:)
 
Have I logged into BBKA forum by mistake.... come on, handbags away... we have a great forum with a super admin- just be grateful and read the rules.

Always get info to people with private email address, via pm, if you are desperate for queens.

RP has been banned for a week.
Reading private messages - back to the argument about good manners.
 
As I posted above,I sent a pm to a member who publicly stated they had sent a pm to another member,it was not rocket science to work out what the pm contained as the op was asking for queens.

If I had the time I could hack the database to read member's pm's.

I could also follow my daughters on facebook and see what they have to say in private.

But I don't for one simple reason,I may not like what I read because private means just that "Private".

I am sure that in pm's I sometimes get called names ect,but what I dont read can't hurt me.

I can assure all members that private messages are just that,PRIVATE..

Admin.
 
As I posted above,I sent a pm to a member who publicly stated they had sent a pm to another member,it was not rocket science to work out what the pm contained as the op was asking for queens.

If I had the time I could hack the database to read member's pm's.

I could also follow my daughters on facebook and see what they have to say in private.

But I don't for one simple reason,I may not like what I read because private means just that "Private".

I am sure that in pm's I sometimes get called names ect,but what I dont read can't hurt me.

I can assure all members that private messages are just that,PRIVATE..

Admin.
Thanks for the reassurance, that's much as I think most of us thought it worked.

In the absence of anything I can see written about the use of PM by the commercial and non-commercial* in this area, can we clarify the rules? If a 'queens wanted' post appears (or anything else wanted for that matter) then non-commercial keepers who have spares are at liberty to post a reply "I have spares, PM me" or post a "PM sent" reply and PM email/phone details. It is for the OP to act on or not as they wish. Commercial suppliers should not post a reply, but if they send only a PM nobody would discover that unless the OP chose to complain. Is that the basic principle?

*At risk of another can of worms ending up in the floor. Commercial being defined by making whole or substantial part of their income from bees. Non-commercial does not preclude selling on anything they have spare to offset other costs of keeping bees.
 
Why do you need to post 'PM sent' really (although I've been guilty of this as well) - the recipient will soon find out when it turns up in the in box.
It's like writing to someone to tell them you've sent an email! :D

If you want to bend the rules why advertise the fact on an open forum - just send a Pm and nobody's the wiser (apart from the little man at GCHQ checking all the messages:eek:)
 
Why do you need to post 'PM sent' really
Basic sales etiquette. Or it was years ago when I worked more closely with sales people. If a colleague had a sale in progress don't try to poach the sale. Even if it is a rival and poaching is legitimate, the fact the customer was talking to rivals meant you were wasting time that should be better spent on fresh leads. Therefore, always talk up your negotiations as a signal to friends and warning to rivals.

From the 'helpful' angle, somebody has asked and we can see they got a response. Unless they post again, other requests are higher priority for suggesting something. From a less altruistic point of view, if you're first to respond and broadcast that, rivals are less likely to butt in with a 'me too'.
 
Basic sales etiquette. Or it was years ago when I worked more closely with sales people. If a colleague had a sale in progress don't try to poach the sale. Even if it is a rival and poaching is legitimate, the fact the customer was talking to rivals meant you were wasting time that should be better spent on fresh leads. Therefore, always talk up your negotiations as a signal to friends and warning to rivals.

From the 'helpful' angle, somebody has asked and we can see they got a response. Unless they post again, other requests are higher priority for suggesting something. From a less altruistic point of view, if you're first to respond and broadcast that, rivals are less likely to butt in with a 'me too'.

Yes, but we're talking about being a bit discreet when doing something that is frowned upon - not fighting for business on the sales floor. why bring etiquette into something you shouldn't be doing in the first place.
 
Thats one of my pet hates "pm sent" I just shout at the screen WHY DO THAT :willy_nilly: please for the sake of my sanity stop :D
 
i dont understand why pm sent is posted,the person is going to get the message anyway.
 
If you are in a hurry, it's easy to miss a notification.


"PM sent" is also a polite message to say "let's continue this talk in private".
 
Yes but some fail to see the notification.

PH

so you set your preferences to give you an email alert when you receive a PM
You can also set it that you get an alert every time someone posts on a thread you've contributed to.
Makes you feel really important when your email inbox is pinging a new message alert all the time! :)
 

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