should juniors be allowed to keep bees?

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Sounds like nothing much has changed from when i was a kid, many of us would also take a box of ferrets to school as well, so we could spend the time rabbiting on the way home from school.

Became experts at carrying taken down shotgun and cartridges to school in anticipation of a bit of hedgerow bashing on the way home when taking a 'half day' instead of sleeping through double maths or physics- or a billhook and thornproof coat so I could spend half an hour hedging and picking Christmas holly on one of our rented smallholdings by catching the 'wrong' schoolbus home

 

[mbc]

Became experts at carrying taken down shotgun and cartridges to school in anticipation of a bit of hedgerow bashing on the way home when taking a 'half day' instead of sleeping through double maths or physics- or a billhook and thornproof coat so I could spend half an hour hedging and picking Christmas holly on one of our rented smallholdings by catching the 'wrong' schoolbus home

Lol.
I remember half the class like zombies when there was a good run of fish on, a little bit of "night shift" work was very educational and also helped with pocket money.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

LOL ur an adult not a kid. I speak from having to deal with the mess these games leave behind as part of my job.

Case in point i had to physically remove an 8in cooks knife from a kid that was waving it 3inches from another ones face today, then phyiscally remove him from my lesson.
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Hmm - I think the answer is to bring back beatings - and if you can't do it on the kids - give the parent(s) a good thrashing instead in the end it's usually their fault anyway

 

[Elaine]

Case in point i had to physically remove an 8in cooks knife from a kid that was waving it 3inches from another ones face today, then phyiscally remove him from my lesson.

He believed that he wouldnt hurt the other kid as he had seen the same things in games and they wernt hurt. He was a 13yo boy.

it.

I think this is the crux of it - what is seen in games/tv often doesn't reflect the reality of getting hurt - How many bullets _does_ it take to kill or injure anyone? From some programs, you'd think that there was a force field around the poeple, (the 'goodies' anyway!) as very very few actually hit their target!

 

[user 6228]

LOL ur an adult not a kid. I speak from having to deal with the mess these games leave behind as part of my job.

Case in point i had to physically remove an 8in cooks knife from a kid that was waving it 3inches from another ones face today, then phyiscally remove him from my lesson.

He believed that he wouldnt hurt the other kid as he had seen the same things in games and they wernt hurt. He was a 13yo boy.
We had another one turn up on monday with a shotgun and cartrages he bought from someone over the weekend wanting to have "some fun" with phesants, we dont have any at school.

This is the world some of the games are producing. they watch horror movies from 6 or 7 they watch porn and try to get others to do what they have seen. and it is with parents knowledge as they allow them to sky+ it.

What we need is kids being physically hurt in a controlled and fun (for them) environment...

 

[mbc]

What we need is kids being physically hurt in a controlled and fun (for them) environment...

Sounds like a description of rugby

 

[Sir Quej]

They also cannot carry liability insurance, which in these increasingly litigious times could mean the difference between having a house and not.

This was my point in my earlier post really. There has to be an adult that the ultimate responsibility falls upon. Nothing whatsoever wrong with juniors managing hives. I am myself trying to encourage my children to join in with the aim of letting them have a hive of their own. However, "their" hives will be at the same site as mine and ultimately, I will bear final responsibility for them. As someone said earlier, its a lot of responsibility for a junior to take on.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Became experts at carrying taken down shotgun and cartridges to school in anticipation of a bit of hedgerow bashing on the way home when taking a 'half day' instead of sleeping through double maths or physics-

Very similar here, not too much physics or double maths, the school only had around twelve of us, my gran was the one and only school cook..seemed she had done that job forever, and only one classroom with one teacher....who just happened to like hunting, so whenever the hunt was in the area..stag, otter or fox, the whole school would be off following the hunt for the rest of the day.

Lol.
I remember half the class like zombies when there was a good run of fish on, a little bit of "night shift" work was very educational and also helped with pocket money.

Sounds like similar pastimes to around here, even the village policeman would participate...he eventually packed that job up, and became a game keeper...lol

 

[For want of a better word]

My primary years were spent roaming the bombsites of South London, tens of thousands of "incendurys" were dropped on the old Kelvin works near our school, one of these UXBs could clear the school in about 50 seconds.. a lot safer than a swarm of angry bees?

 

[georgia b]

It is nice to know that so many people support young people keeping bees. However I do not like that the BBKA are making the parent/guardian, of a junior, join up as a full memeber. Yes the parent should be a member, but is being a full member necessary, surely an associate is enough? And then what of parents that have no intrest in keeping bees and wouldn't join up as memeber no matter what?

Georgia

 

[alanf]

The pursuit of a rabbit or two for my generation was usual, or ratting with a 410 for a bit of excitement.

However, as a variant on the '4 yorkshiremen' routine, we had it easy. I was working in the village greengrocers as a 'Saturday boy' while still at school. As the afternoon progressed I was employed to do the actual work of weighing carrots, un-boxing apples or whatever and the owner would relax around the back and his mates would drop by for a chat. They were all well past normal retirement age and the tales I recall were of when they were starting work. At 10 you'd be expected to get the horses fed and watered ready for a day's ploughing and by my age (at the time, 15 or so) I would have been expected to handle a ploughing team myself and work a full day with them.

That was a few years back, and the older gentlemen have long gone, along with the greengrocers although that was more recently. The time they were talking of was around the time of the first world war when adult males were in short supply. I thought at the time that their tales were entirely plausible and still do. Responsibility for a few hives would rate rather lightly on their scale.

 

[REDWOOD]

A family membership would be better or kids go free

 

[Tdf]

dont see why not most will be better than the old beekeepers who do everything the way its always been done

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I think the BBKA are more worried about letting children play with matches! there! I've said it - the dreaded M word

 

[victor meldrew]

dont see why not most will be better than the old beekeepers who do everything the way its always been done

Tut tut young man, I am both old and long in beekeeping. What's wrong with a little experience (a commodity sadly lacking, especially in government)?
The wheel is reinvented with each generation often with appearance being the only improvement !
VM
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[SixFooter]

What's wrong with a little experience (a commodity sadly lacking, especially in government)?
The wheel is reinvented with each generation often with appearance being the only improvement

Fairly sure our politics are different but

 

[mbc]

Fairly sure our politics are different but

I thought they were all the same these days.

 

[beeno]

Hi all,
In principle I do not have a problem with children keeping bees or helping to keep bees. The usual senario with the family dog though is that mum ends up doing the feeding, cleaning and walking in due course and she may not necessarily be as keen on bees. If the churn rate for adults in apiaries is 3 years, as someone suggested, then I would suggest that this will increase with a shorter attention span of children and teenagers especially boys. Actually, changed my mind, I do have a problem with anyone under the age of 17 years keeping bees in their own right as they are not in law a legally responsible adult thus the landowner and/or parent need to take responsibility. There is more time, effort and knowledge required in looking after bees responsibly than many people realise and this is the reason why so many of us are retired people. Swarm season would also clash with exam timetables of school children.

 

[user 6228]

Any injection of more people asking why? and not being satisfied with the answer: "because we have always done it this way", would be welcome IMHO.
But being young doesnt necessarilly make you challenge accepted wisdom nor does being old preclude it.

 

[nikca]

Just after WWII my 8 year old father-in-law looked after 100 hives...

I don't think his pet owl (resuced after it's parents were killed) that followed him to school would go down too well now either. No - I checked - it wasn't Hogwarts.