Pensions under attack - action required - Beekeepers unite!

[Hivemaker.]

I can find nothing about her saying that either,and not to the united nations,but now you say she said, not to worry about british beekeepers,but in the first post it was, we don't need British beekeepers.

 

[The Apprentices]

Afraid? I simply don't understand what you meant in those first three pars. I don't get what you are saying.

Basically if we do not care for our whole we will always become the victims of our own making our neglect, what effects one eventually effects all.

There is a lot to be gleaned from the short video documentary called

The Story of your enslavement.

 

[psafloyd]

Basically if we do not care for our whole we will always become the victims of our own making our neglect, what effects one eventually effects all.

There is a lot to be gleaned from the short video documentary called

The Story of your enslavement.

That I understand and cannot disagree with it.

 

[The Apprentices]

I can find nothing about her saying that either,and not to the united nations,but now you say she said, not to worry about british beekeepers,but in the first post it was, we don't need British beekeepers.

What I said she said collates to the same sort of thing.

Without searching every report I cannot do any more right now, but I will endeavour to get the answer after I have talked with some older Beeks tomorrow.

 

[Hivemaker.]

but I will endeavour to get the answer after I have talked with some older Beeks tomorrow.

Good man,athough i know you watched it yourself, but cannot remember when or where,it would be interesting to know, being as we have got this far.
Perhaps some older members on here can remember when and where.
A horse a horse,my kindom for a horse, ..who said that.

 

[The Apprentices]

Good man,athough i know you watched it yourself, but cannot remember when or where,it would be interesting to know, being as we have got this far.
Perhaps some older members on here can remember when and where.
A horse a horse,my kindom for a horse, ..who said that.

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A man who once luncheoned at Middleham and died in a field at Bosworth perhaps.

 

[andycadman]

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Thank you for contacting me about the concessionary coach fares scheme.

Given the deficit inherited by this Government, the country is paying debt interest of £120 million every day. This has required the Government to make some difficult decisions. The Government has decided that the limited funds the taxpayer can afford should be used to support schemes such as the statutory bus national concession which offers free travel on local bus services throughout England.

For many older and disabled people a free local bus service can be a lifeline, providing access to employment, healthcare and other essential services. That is why the Government has given priority to the local bus concession scheme and retained it despite the deficit crisis. That has meant that some other areas of transport spending, such as support for long distance coach travel, have had to be cut. The Government is therefore proposing to withdraw this non-statutory funding for coach operators who are voluntarily operating half-price schemes from October 2011 in England. Ministers hope that the coach industry may wish to continue to offer these half-price schemes on a commercial basis.

This decision in England does not affect the national concession which offers free travel on local bus services. I am delighted the Government is protecting the concessionary bus pass, despite the record deficit inherited from the previous administration.

 

[The Apprentices]

After all it was the older generation who paid in advance for all they might or might not recieve today.

From the off a direct mention of "The Debts" which were first instegated when money was first invented to control the masses, you know the stuff the masses think they cannot live without

The current downturn for those in confusion is no more than the constant feed of credit nothing else, our darling chancellor bless him, if he was really in charge of the whole mind set, could and Quote" In order of ridding our debt to the current privately owned banks, fire up the printing presses and print us out of the current control method of idebt upon the nation and its labour without interest, as it was recently in Libya and still is throughout the Arab world, sadly he cannot, because he is not in control, never has been and never will be now or any time in the future.
For those who are confused as to owns the BOE, check out why a parliament act in 1974 that forbids the mere mention in house to who the true and main share holders of said money control and mechanism, where the labour we supply comes from to be in constant resolution with our whole debt program.

Here is a more detailed explanation for those of confusion to what their MSM are actually telling us.

By Brian Jonathan Liew

Governments have been using money as a form of control ever since it ever existed. They have achieved this through their centrally controlled banks which they They have achieved this through their centrally controlled banks which they manipulate the flow and availability of money available to the public via interest rates. As today's medium of exchange for goods and services, "Money" is what everyone is striving for in order to obtain the goods and services they require and demand. In today's materialistic and superficial world and because of our indoctrination that having materialistic possessions will provide us eternal love and happiness, we believe that money is the only way out of our misery and problems. Thus most of us make that our first priority in our lives because all of us want to achieve a better life for ourselves.

Our indoctrination starts from the day we were born from what we were taught by our parents on how to be "Successful", the education system teaching us how and who to be in order to be successful, the media ranging from movies, television programmes magazines, newspapers, advertisements showing us the "Norm" by setting what is socially acceptable according to them. They also set what is above the "Norm" aka"hip" and those who are considered hip "Followed" whoever it was who started that"hip" and those who are considered hip "Followed" whoever it was who started that particular trend (really nothing more than being the head of the sheep flock). And of course they will define what socially unacceptable is and label it "Weird" and other labels. Thus the media wields a lot of influence and power in terms manipulating the perceptions and thoughts of the masses of people. particular trend (really nothing more than being the head of the sheep flock). And of particular trend (really nothing more than being the head of the sheep flock). And of course they will define what socially unacceptable is and label it "Weird" and other course they will define what socially unacceptable is and label it "Weird" and other labels. Thus the media wields a lot of influence and power in terms manipulating the perceptions and thoughts of the masses of people. abels. Thus the media wields a lot of influence and power in terms manipulating the perceptions and thoughts of the masses of people.

If the media portrays a certain fashion or style and proposes or presumes it as fashionable and popular in a commercial, movie, television series, magazines and other forms of media, with its constant and consistent bombardment of these messages via forms of media, with its constant and consistent bombardment of these messages via radio, television or print, it is bound to affect ythe psyche of those exposed to it. Even if an individual rejects and attempts to block off the messages, it will somehow affect their subconscious mind because of the constant and consistent bombardment of such messages. Although some of us may attempt to block these messages, it will eventually creep up to us through our peers who have fallen for the bait. Peer pressure kicks in and we get persuaded by our friends to "Change" because we don't want to be outcaste by our peers and be labelled "Weird". Those who completely do not fall for the bait gets labelled all sorts of names "Weird", "Old Fashioned", "Backwards" and many more. abelled all sorts of names "Weird", "Old Fashioned", "Backwards" and many more.

Through the media, the Corporations, Banks and the Government, they propose and influence what is socially acceptable or not and what is socially admirable or not. Al these four entities normally work together hand in hand. The banks finance the corporations, the corporations lobby the governments and have politicians in their corporations, the corporations lobby the governments and have politicians in their pockets, the government controls the central bank (thus all other banking institutions) or in many cases the central banks have been separated from government control and authority, and are governed by a collection of heads of corporations. The corporations own the media outlets and thus all of them could be grouped together and referred to as the "Controlling Elites" or "Elites". The Elites normally have the same agenda and goals because if they want to retain their profits and control over the masses they would have to work together in order to make sure each other's credibility is upheld. If one of these links in the chain weakens, it will break their whole cycle of profits and control. Thus they work together most of the time hand in hand setting their "Agenda" for the general public to follow via the media. one of these links in the chain weakens, it will break their whole cycle of profits and control. Thus they work together most of the time hand in hand setting their "Agenda" for the general public to follow via the media.

Their Agenda sets the "Norm" (socially acceptable) in what society is according to them and that can range from fashion to belief systems and many more as long as the and that can range from fashion to belief systems and many more as long as the media pushes the message and constantly bombard their messages on the masses. A good example is fashion and music. Some of the music pushed out by the media is totally indigestible but because of the human psyche of "Social Acceptance", where they do not want to be outcast and want to "belong", they go with the so called "Trend" even though they don't like it they buy into it just to "feel" accepted. The same goes with fashion, house, cars, and other material possessions. Thus the power of the media dictates to the populous what the masses "Should" or "Shouldn't" have, and the masses purchase whatever is impulse to them just so that they "Feel" normal and thus they "feel" they are socially accepted. they "feel" they are socially accepted.

With the amount of power the media possess to influence the minds of the masses they often use it to benefit the corporations that they are in cooperation with to persuade the masses to purchase certain products from them. This leads to materialistic consumption of unnecessary levels and because of our strive to consume more just to impress and fit in, we have it as our first priority subconsciously in our ives to make money ahead of everything else, thus making money our masters because we serve(work) to acquire money and we put money in the forefront of other priorities and that makes us slaves to money. We have been enslaved by our own greed priorities and that makes us slaves to money. We have been enslaved by our own greed and insecurities because we are afraid to be different and afraid to be labelled weird.

Our enslavement is aided mainly by the so called "Elites" particularly the Government who taxes our hard earned income to unnecessary levels and uses our income for the benefit of the "Elites" themselves but not us. They use our tax money for wars to benefit oil corporations and the military industrial complex, they use it to bail out Wal benefit oil corporations and the military industrial complex, they use it to bail out Wal Street and the Bankers during the 2008 Economic downturn, they use it for death and destruction in other nations in particular third world nations. They may have used a small portion of the taxes they gathered for the people but most of the money they small portion of the taxes they gathered for the people but most of the money they have used is mainly for their own benefit. The result of this leaves us with less money have used is mainly for their own benefit. The result of this leaves us with less money in our pockets.

 

[The Apprentices]

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The result of this leaves us with less money have used is mainly for their own benefit. The result of this leaves us with less money n our pockets, thus we have to work harder and longer hours to obtain the level of money we require for survival.

The Banks play a major role in further enslaving us by creating loans and charging us the public ridiculous amount of fees and interest. Our society, in particular the western society is a debt society. We borrow from the banks if we cannot afford it. Be it a society is a debt society. We borrow from the banks if we cannot afford it. Be it a mortgage for a house or a credit card for small purchases, these loans are designed to encourage purchases by incurring debt and putting us in absolute slavery and beholden to the banks for the duration of the loans. By creating loans that are easily and readily available and impossible to opt out of, the banks are basically committing daylight robberies and enslaving us by using the media to impulse us to purchase and manipulating our greed to acquire materialistic possessions even when we cannot afford them. The money banks loan out, the more they make and the less money the masses have in their pockets. afford them. The money banks loan out, the more they make and the less money the masses have in their pockets.

From what is left, we purchase our products from corporations which more or less different names for their corporations but in fact they are owned by the same group of people known as Oligarchs. These Oligarchs often have political connections and belong to powerful lobby groups who have the politicians in their pockets and often belong to powerful lobby groups who have the politicians in their pockets and often own the major media outlets. They influence and pressure the government to have favourable taxation laws for their corporations and unfavourable taxation laws for small businesses and the masses of individuals. Thus channeling most of the wealth towards these Oligarchs and making everyday living more difficult for the towards these Oligarchs and making everyday living more difficult for the masses,resulting in the rich becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer. masses,resulting in the rich becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer.
With the masses having most of their wealth channelled to the elites, the masses thus have less and they have to fight over of what is left while the Elites sit back and laugh at us falling for their deceitful system without even knowing it and enslaving us, making us work longer hours just to put food on the table and a roof over our heads. This will us work longer hours just to put food on the table and a roof over our heads. This will eventually lead us to a two class system of master and slaves with a few controlling everything and the masses slaving just to get a taste of the carrot the "Elites" dangle in front of us without knowing that we will never get it if we continue to be manipulated this way.
This really is not rocket science on how these group of so called "Elites" have worked for the destruction of humanity and lowering the quality of life all around the world Most of the masses have been too distracted because of the need to make a buck in order to survive and the attention has been diverted away from the real cause of the decline in quality of life and the enslavement of humanity. The western developed decline in quality of life and the enslavement of humanity. The western developed nations are no different from third world nations as most people in the developed world are enslaved to their system and if they do not work they cannot survive, no different from third world nations. The "Elites" have efficiently used money as the carrot and made sure we would never get the whole carrot but tease us with just a taste of it leaving us like dogs chasing our own tails. It is not money that is evil but how money has been and is still being used by these "Elites" to manipulate us through our greed to obtain absolute control of us. carrot and made sure we would never get the whole carrot but tease us with just a taste of it leaving us like dogs chasing our own tails. It is not money that is evil but how money has been and is still being used by these "Elites" to manipulate us through our money has been and is still being used by these "Elites" to manipulate us through our greed to obtain absolute control of us.

If we continue to succumb to the media, peer pressure and our greed, and if we continue to tolerate the connections between these Elites and let this happen, we will eventually be enslaved by them, manipulating us and ultimately enslaving ourselves. Connecting the dots is not rocket science and more common sense and at what point n time do we have to reach before we get totally enslaved?

Brian Jonathan Liew.

 

[Chris Luck]

But we do have a system in the west, (some Countries more than others and now going Global), that allows a few to crawl to the top, (or nearer to the top), of the dung heap thus encouraging all to think that they may hold the "lucky ticket" to a huge pile of cash to help with their emotional emptiness.

Good job there aren't any bread heads on here.

Chris

 

[The Apprentices]

But we do have a system in the west, (some Countries more than others and now going Global), that allows a few to crawl to the top, (or nearer to the top), of the dung heap thus encouraging all to think that they may hold the "lucky ticket" to a huge pile of cash to help with their emotional emptiness.

Good job there aren't any bread heads on here.

Chris

Indeedie, all governments think that they we owe them a living and we work for them, not the other way round.

Alduous Huxley knew what they were up to from his governmental brother, and why he got everything so right first time.

There is a magic bullet and its called self pelf, working for yourself brings bigger bonuses as long as its by our own hands, because at the moment most if not all are walking upon childerick for what we need and are now paying handsomely for it.

Brings back a few memories of early school actually, our plum in mouth mistress once said, when all you children leave school I want you all to be like me, The learned establishment at home told me to tell her next lesson that, we here on the land can and do things differently for ourselves.

She was not best pleased lol.

 

[richardbees]

"She said something along the lines of that we can get honey cheaper from abroad and not to worry about the British beekeeper,"

No she didn't and she never would!!

.......and you'd know that If you really understood her values.

 

[Chris Luck]

Errr, she was very happy to get cheap coal from abroad and stuff coal miners, where did that fit in her values?

Chris

 

[The Apprentices]

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"She said something along the lines of that we can get honey cheaper from abroad and not to worry about the British beekeeper,"

No she didn't and she never would!!

.......and you'd know that If you really understood her values.

Ahh but she did and I will proove it.

When she came out and said this lady is not for turning how much longer did she last.

From coals to Newcastle to the honey thing she was never really in charge of anything, never was never will be again.

To think otherwise for any of the trio is dellusional to say the least, when ever has any government told us the truth.

I bet you still believe that there were weapons of mass distraction in Iraq, and the 20,000 air sortees into Libya just were simply recon.

Name three countries that have no links to the red shield and I will give you a Crackerjack pencil.
And if you still don't see the writing on the walls its a blankety blank cheque book and pen.

Heh, never mind

 

[psafloyd]

A

When she came out and said this lady is not for turning how much longer did she last.

Ten years. That was from her first speech to the Tory conference after she became PM, wasn't it?

 

[madasafish]

Lady is not for turning.

October 10, 1980
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/10/newsid_2541000/2541071.stm

Resigned Novermber 1990
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher#Resignation


Funny how people are unaware of British history....and make it up to suit their prejudices...

 

[The Apprentices]

Ten years. That was from her first speech to the Tory conference after she became PM, wasn't it?

Let me take you on a journey not often taught in schools and for very good reasons.

In those ten years of employment find out what policies were passed through parliament that helped the Uk to get out of the trouble it is in today and you will see the steering parties themselves being steered like every government before them, who always hand forward the same old problems year in term out to those following, who are taught well to points this out.

The system is designed to fail for the majority and work for the minority, it simply never gets better, only more expensive upon our labour.

Look into how the corporate charter works for some finer details related to unions and other parts of the system.

Now the labour is cheaper elsewhere and we taught the ones now growing at twelve percent a year and the ones running the whole show are funding it and our now drought with our previous labour.

The ball of control never stands still long enough for roots to take hold for an alternative a way out of any problems.

People are the most valuble commodity upon the planet, they are self replicating, perfect and true perpetual motion in action being controlled ultimately for their labour.

Thatcher was only one of the bought and paid steering party members only allowed to keep the confusion and control going, but never stabalising its way out of troubles.

If the lady was as good as many say and think then surely we would have kept her a little longer like anything good, like a good car for instance.

Once as any happy medium gets control of the hearts and minds of a system running smoothly the real controllers must break that chain on order of staying in charge.

These people are your elite's, Rothschilds, Rockafella's and Mogan types, their contracts over our labours of the four corners of our planet were signed and sealed in 1913 on a small island off the coast of the united states.

Like I said before there are only three countries left who do not deal with them and what is happening to them today.

Some have different kinds of power that others need and other energies that are dangerous to others well being so are being watched but left alone.

Utimately its the people who are the most valuble form of energy when all the other forms of energy have been consumed.

Eventually we are like slaves to their rythum, money is the perfect controlling device which we exchange at around 8% for our labour, that interest goes to?....

Guessed it yet, we continually keep asking ourselves where does all the money go to, but completely forget about the labour that came before it.

Jeckle and hide the truth of what's really happening.

 

[psafloyd]

Let me take you on a journey not often taught in schools and for very good reasons.

No, don't bother, it may as well come from the Fortean Times.

I have no time for Thatcher but your assertion it is all a great conspiracy is taking it a little too far.

People are greedy enough to want that kind of system to thrive (it is what the US is predicated upon), but like the US, they just can't get themselves that organised.

 

[The Apprentices]

No, don't bother, it may as well come from the Fortean Times.

I have no time for Thatcher but your assertion it is all a great conspiracy is taking it a little too far.

People are greedy enough to want that kind of system to thrive (it is what the US is predicated upon), but like the US, they just can't get themselves that organised.

Ahhhh, there is that venerable word being used Con-Spiracy which is neither use nor ornament in an armament of words deftly used.

Take a look into Arab eyes and what does one see on the horizon and the next part of the conspiracy will take place pretty soon I would Predict.

Lets see what time, lies and conspiracy brings us.

 

[The Apprentices]

October 10, 1980
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/10/newsid_2541000/2541071.stm

Resigned Novermber 1990
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher#Resignation


Funny how people are unaware of British history....and make it up to suit their prejudices...

I am aware of our history and what type of background she came from.

Thank you for the links leading nowhere, when she finally saw the light and tried to change a few things for her real people it was not allowed, thus she resigned after being asked to do so by her peers in waiting.

Great minds are made not born, the way one wants them to be, amongst the chosen, very rarely from the common base and popular any more, cannot have that kind of mind set upsetting the rules again.

If we all turned our TV's off for a month we might be able to think a little clearer said the laughing knome.