OA dribble

[Show me the honey]

I've read people mostly do this round December time (winter) so just wondering is there a min temp you will open them up In?

 

[linoleum bonypart]

Alot of us feel this is an outdated practice ...soaking bees in winter and have turned to oxalic vaping early December

 

[Show me the honey]

Ye each to there own I guess just sitting in the van watching the rain thinking bee stuff we have rough inspection temperatures so didn't know if people had treatment temperatures for OA dribble

I don't dribble (on the bees or myself)

 

[drex]

I vape, but if you do not have the equipment OA dribble is a good simple method. Have everything ready before cracking the inner cover. Syringe (s) preloaded with warm solution. Will take about maximum of 30 seconds, so temp is not that important. It does not affect mites under cappings, so is done when there is least brood in the hive. For me that is mid to late Dec.

 

[Finman]

I've read people mostly do this round December time (winter) so just wondering is there a min temp you will open them up In?

+ 5C is optimum. Then bees do not jump on you face, but they can fly into home, if they jump.

In zero temp your fingers freeze with several hives.
Wind during cold is not nice. But wind pushes bees back if they begin to attack.

But hive has nothing inside which can catch cold.

When disturbed bees lift hive temp up to 30-40C. When moving they rub the acid syrup around their body. Sugar glues acid onto body.

Keep hurry before the cluster bursts over edges.

I have dribbled since 2003. I will never vape.

This autumn I had on September so few brood, that I dribbled hives when I started feed.
Swarm is too good to dribble.
Next dribbling after a month.

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[Hivemaker.]

Alot of us feel this is an outdated practice ...

I agree, but still suspect the majority who treat in winter use the trickle method, there really is no need to carry out any winter treatments.

 

[Finman]

Alot of us feel this is an outdated practice ...

It is your own mistake if you feel so.

This forum has made that feeling. Nothing else. In my country 100% dribble, even those who gazifie. It is easy and good method.
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This forum is about 15 persons who knows everything better.

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[Finman]

I agree, but still suspect the majority who treat in winter use the trickle method, there really is no need to carry out any winter treatments.

This opinion lays in empty bottom. Perhaps it is true in Britain, but not in colder countries. We have a good brood gap, and trickling is brilliant method then.

 

[Show me the honey]

+5 optimum. Cheers finman, only on my 2nd year so still reading up on different things and trying new stuff. Used apiguard last year vaping this year might try something different next year will see.

 

[Eyeman]

This forum is about 15 persons who knows everything better.

Are you included in that group of 15, Finman

 

[Finman]

Are you included in that group of 15, Finman

Of course

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

temp is not that important.

Not really true - should be above 5 degrees as the finster says - bees must be active so that they will move around for the trickle to be effective but still in a loose cluster for most to be caught by the trickle.

No need to open up midwinter if you did a proper mite treatment in the autumn.
OA trickle was an alternative to other treatments and, as it is unwise to do multiple treatments and, like most other treatments it doesn't work on seaed brood you have to find a broodless period.

 

[drex]

I bow to your experience and accept what you say, but even when in a tight cluster the bees still move about from inner core to outer shell and vice versa.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I bow to your experience and accept what you say, but even when in a tight cluster the bees still move about from inner core to outer shell and vice versa.

Just going by what most technical data says - it's like when the minimum 15 degrees temperature is mentioned with Apiguard and some bang on about cluster temperature when in fact it's the outside temperature that's important as bees need to be flying in and out of the hive regularly.
I think with OA it's the fact that the bees shouldn't bee in too tight a cluster but active inside the hive.

 

[drex]

Dave Cushman-:
"Temperatures recommended for treatment seem to vary from text to text, but are generally in the range 0°C to 5°C. However, the solution is warmed to room temperature (15°C) for application."

 

[linoleum bonypart]

Times change there is research going on with oa impregnated shop towels laid on frame tops
Bees shred them and get the dose that way

 

[fatshark]

This opinion lays in empty bottom. Perhaps it is true in Britain, but not in colder countries. We have a good brood gap, and trickling is brilliant method then.

I agree ... and I think it's also generally beneficial in the UK. The big knockdown of phoretic mites achievable with a well-timed winter treatment makes a very big difference to late Spring/early Summer mite levels.

Do the maths ... based upon the doubling time for the mite population and a starting population of 20 or 200 ... it's the difference between being below or above the NBU recommended mite numbers per colony.

Like Hivemaker I suspect the majority who do treat in winter dribble.

This forum is filled with vapaholics.

And I've got and use a Sublimox.

 

[Finman]

I bow to your experience and accept what you say, but even when in a tight cluster the bees still move about from inner core to outer shell and vice versa.

When you disturb the hive kicking it, the cluster will expand and fill the whole hive. IT take 2 days that the colony calms down.

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Do you remember when before trickling British beekeepers lifted frame by frame and sprayed each side with 3% oxalic acid water solution. Yes, in winter, when hive was broodless. So they did in USA too

That was about 15 years ago. Tricklers went into jail. Then jails were full.

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[Plenty of honey]

Quote From Finman
8th November 2008, 05:20 PM
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To smaller dosage 3-5 hive langstroth

100 g sugar
100 g water
7,5 g oxalic acid.

Finman, is this still the same recipe you use when you do you oxalic Acid dribble?

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[Poly Hive]

I trickle and I will teach trickling as I personally feel (and no doubt you have all the safety kit) that the vapour is nasty stuff and I feel safer doing the trickle. I also am not so keen to have hot items too close to the poly.

Bees tend not to cluster so tightly in poly hives which is another bonus when it comes to treating with OA.

PH