mobile phone radiation does affect bees..official
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Brosville
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Not in the way most alarmist twaddlers think! The (wrong) assumption being that mobile phone masts are doing damage to bees - simple maths and invoking the "inverse square law" shows that IF mobile 'phone radiation is harmful to bees, then the 'phones themselves are far more dangerous than the masts...
Here's a cut and paste from "another forum" where this same file was linked to this morning, where I endeavoured to put this report in perspective -
"A swift perusal of the linked pdf suggests that at least they've "got it right" that the part of the system to worry about is the handsets (not the masts), BUT the glaring problem in taking their conclusions seriously is the old one - inverse square law.....
IF we accept that mobile 'phones within a few inches of bees can produce a change in behaviour, we then have to ask just how many bees have their own mobiles, or how many hives have them - the answer (obviously) is "none". We then have the fact that their "controls" (the hives without 'phones) were seen to be unaffected, proving conclusively that the "background level" of transmissions from towers and distant mobiles doesn't affect them! (because it "falls off" in power very fast with distance).
The conclusion that can be drawn from this work is that it a change of behaviour has been observed at very high doses, so if colonies are to be affected at all it will be from phones in the hive (best avoided), and possibly 'phones used by the beekeepers very close to the hives (but I'm sceptical about that -the time and distance would tend to reduce the exposure level to "insignificant"..............).
I think it's rather like saying that rock music is dangerous - if you shove your head into the cone of a very powerful speaker/amplifier combination, you'll probably do your ears no good at all, but at a sane "normal" level it can be rather fun, and entirely harmless!
I suggest they'd do well to repeat the experiments using an amplifier and speaker of similar power in the hive playing virtually any selection of Christmas "muzak" - I'd expect mass exodus/suicide........."
ps, there is a visible campaign on at the moment from all sorts of partially bewildered posting all sorts of tosh about "phone masts" - I had one resort to going off at me in pseudo religious gibberese last night.......... this linked report is one of the few that has any truth in it, but most of the rest is utter nonsense!
Here's a cut and paste from "another forum" where this same file was linked to this morning, where I endeavoured to put this report in perspective -
"A swift perusal of the linked pdf suggests that at least they've "got it right" that the part of the system to worry about is the handsets (not the masts), BUT the glaring problem in taking their conclusions seriously is the old one - inverse square law.....
IF we accept that mobile 'phones within a few inches of bees can produce a change in behaviour, we then have to ask just how many bees have their own mobiles, or how many hives have them - the answer (obviously) is "none". We then have the fact that their "controls" (the hives without 'phones) were seen to be unaffected, proving conclusively that the "background level" of transmissions from towers and distant mobiles doesn't affect them! (because it "falls off" in power very fast with distance).
The conclusion that can be drawn from this work is that it a change of behaviour has been observed at very high doses, so if colonies are to be affected at all it will be from phones in the hive (best avoided), and possibly 'phones used by the beekeepers very close to the hives (but I'm sceptical about that -the time and distance would tend to reduce the exposure level to "insignificant"..............).
I think it's rather like saying that rock music is dangerous - if you shove your head into the cone of a very powerful speaker/amplifier combination, you'll probably do your ears no good at all, but at a sane "normal" level it can be rather fun, and entirely harmless!
I suggest they'd do well to repeat the experiments using an amplifier and speaker of similar power in the hive playing virtually any selection of Christmas "muzak" - I'd expect mass exodus/suicide........."
ps, there is a visible campaign on at the moment from all sorts of partially bewildered posting all sorts of tosh about "phone masts" - I had one resort to going off at me in pseudo religious gibberese last night.......... this linked report is one of the few that has any truth in it, but most of the rest is utter nonsense!
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You are the voice of reason. I agree.
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Blimey, in agreement with Brosville? I think I need a lie down.
Less seriously whenever I get asked I posit that given the boom in urban bees and the proliferation of mobile phones and masts in cities that mobile phones must be beneficial to bees.
Needless to say that argument tends not to go down too well.
Less seriously whenever I get asked I posit that given the boom in urban bees and the proliferation of mobile phones and masts in cities that mobile phones must be beneficial to bees.
Needless to say that argument tends not to go down too well.
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Some time ago aomebody did some tests with phone masts and students.
They erected some inactive dummy masts and asked the students if they had had any ill effects which they hadnt experienced before the masts were erected...
Yep... they sure did....
Dont send your bees to university...
They erected some inactive dummy masts and asked the students if they had had any ill effects which they hadnt experienced before the masts were erected...
Yep... they sure did....
Dont send your bees to university...
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Why CCD is only in USA? Why in Finland? We have very dense mobile net.
In UK phone density is surely bigger than we have.
Mobile uses radiowaves. The tower has quite low signal. When phone takes a contact to tower, it strengtens its power.
Whose phones are all the time in hives or near hives?
What other animals react on phones? Wasps, butterflyes, poo flyes, mosquitoes, mice, rats, horses...
Why CCD is only in USA? Why in Finland? We have very dense mobile net.
In UK phone density is surely bigger than we have.
Mobile uses radiowaves. The tower has quite low signal. When phone takes a contact to tower, it strengtens its power.
Whose phones are all the time in hives or near hives?
What other animals react on phones? Wasps, butterflyes, poo flyes, mosquitoes, mice, rats, horses...
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Most teenagers.....
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I tend to agree.
Brosville
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I think it's wise to always keep an open mind on everything, but in the case of phone masts and their perceived dangers, just a few simple sums show that (thanks to the inverse square law) that IF the masts are dangerous, then mobile phones are considerably MORE dangerous.... (by factors well into the thousands of times more potentially damaging)
The interesting fact is that if people are concerned about potential danger from 'phone masts, then simple physics shows that they should actually be campaigning for more of them!...
In simple terms, mobile 'phones are a relatively "intelligent" technology - if the mast is close by, the 'phone (the potentially far more dangerous part of the system) uses minimal power to transmit (a few milliwatts), as does the mast, if the 'phone is at the edge of the coverage area, it'll "turn up the wick" to full power (usually under 2 watts), which if there is a danger is where it's most likely to occur as the dose is at it's highest......
Hence, if you're worried about it, lets campaign for more 'phone masts -
(especially where I live, we have to lean over the sink to get any reception at all..........
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The interesting fact is that if people are concerned about potential danger from 'phone masts, then simple physics shows that they should actually be campaigning for more of them!...
In simple terms, mobile 'phones are a relatively "intelligent" technology - if the mast is close by, the 'phone (the potentially far more dangerous part of the system) uses minimal power to transmit (a few milliwatts), as does the mast, if the 'phone is at the edge of the coverage area, it'll "turn up the wick" to full power (usually under 2 watts), which if there is a danger is where it's most likely to occur as the dose is at it's highest......
Hence, if you're worried about it, lets campaign for more 'phone masts -
(especially where I live, we have to lean over the sink to get any reception at all..........
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That's it, I'm taking the dog gone cellphones away from my bees.
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Can't see bees being affected by mobile masts unless very close to the tower. As Brosville points out the real danger comes from the phone.
In another 20-30 years time I believe we shall see the real medical effects of mobile phone use by humans. If you take the current teenage and younger generation their constant exposure to mobiles will make them the generation that will show any ill effects long term.
All the reports that there is no evidence to suggest harmful effects to humans of mobile phone radiation is based largely on the heating effect of the radiation on the brain. What has not been studied is long term exposure to microwave radiation with regard to the chemical balance within the human brain.
Let's hope in another 20-30 years that the experts are right, otherwise there are going be many ill middle aged people in the population.
In another 20-30 years time I believe we shall see the real medical effects of mobile phone use by humans. If you take the current teenage and younger generation their constant exposure to mobiles will make them the generation that will show any ill effects long term.
All the reports that there is no evidence to suggest harmful effects to humans of mobile phone radiation is based largely on the heating effect of the radiation on the brain. What has not been studied is long term exposure to microwave radiation with regard to the chemical balance within the human brain.
Let's hope in another 20-30 years that the experts are right, otherwise there are going be many ill middle aged people in the population.
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Maybe they should have read my thread?
http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=9539
Aslo above 400kva, x-ray radiation is given off
http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=9539
Aslo above 400kva, x-ray radiation is given off
Brosville
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I think that as in all things it is wise to exercise caution, particularly those that are "new", that haven't had time to show their flaws, so I think it would be entirely reasonable to for instance use your mobile 'phone at a distance from your head using the speakerphone, and to minimise it's use, until such time as we're absolutely sure it's acceptably safe - as other people have said, we won't know for sure until several years have elapsed.
It also helps being a skinflint - I use the cheapest PAYG I can find (Icard), and a fiver's worth of credit lasts me for months - and if I'm in the car I use the bluetooth/satnav thingummydangler which gets all the transmitting a reasonable distance from zer little grey cells
Amazing post Jim!
It also helps being a skinflint - I use the cheapest PAYG I can find (Icard), and a fiver's worth of credit lasts me for months - and if I'm in the car I use the bluetooth/satnav thingummydangler which gets all the transmitting a reasonable distance from zer little grey cells
Amazing post Jim!
Rock_Chick
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Where we have our club apiary,its right next to a communications tower with TV and mobile phone masts on it,in the height of the session we can have 20+ hives and so far its not affected them.
