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Could anyone tell me the what the legal minimum information I can give about my address on honey labels is please? (not a question about weight, lot number, best before date etc etc).
At present, I give full address but I do not want to sell at the gate or be telephoned.
I would prefer to give my email address and town, county, country only, but is that legal?
 
Just a means by which you can be contacted, so email address should be adequate. I should add that this was advice received from TS.
 
Could anyone tell me the what the legal minimum information I can give about my address on honey labels is please? (not a question about weight, lot number, best before date etc etc).
At present, I give full address but I do not want to sell at the gate or be telephoned.
I would prefer to give my email address and town, county, country only, but is that legal?

County and Postcode
Must state product of UK... or of EU ....or EU and non EU... not that you would be cutting your wonderful honey with Chinese sugar water!
Sorry more info than asked for!!

Yeghes da
 
here is some advice from different trading standards.

http://www.bromley.gov.uk/leaflet/122623/7/676/d

http://www3.hants.gov.uk/tradingsta...s-business/ts-business-food/tsguide-honey.htm

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/...ingstandards/foodlabelling/honeylabelling.pdf

All say name and address.

what I have on my label is Mr D Pearce then my house number and post code this is the bare minimum that can give them your address as if you type the postcode in it gives the road and you have given the number. that way if any problems I can be contacted.
 
here is some advice from different trading standards.

http://www.bromley.gov.uk/leaflet/122623/7/676/d

http://www3.hants.gov.uk/tradingsta...s-business/ts-business-food/tsguide-honey.htm

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/...ingstandards/foodlabelling/honeylabelling.pdf

All say name and address.

what I have on my label is Mr D Pearce then my house number and post code this is the bare minimum that can give them your address as if you type the postcode in it gives the road and you have given the number. that way if any problems I can be contacted.
I could find your house and maybe Hives from that if i was that way inclined .
 
'here is some advice from different trading standards'.

Yes, they seem to give different advice according to their own interpretation of the law. Here is an example (nothing to do with honey!):

Friends with a B&B were told that they must use all plastic chopping boards and corresponding knives of different colours for food preparation, because plastic was safe and wood was not. Their next door county does not specify wood or plastic.
When they looked up the facts, they found that there had not been any research into the relative safety of plastic and wood chopping boards.

Later, an American microbiologist was told that plastic was safer than wood and found the same lack of evidence, so he did the research and found wood was safer. Here is an example:
http://faculty.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/faculty/docliver/Researc/cuttingboard.htm

Obviously boards for raw meat / fish and cooked meats, salad ingredients etc should be different and kept separate. It is the wood vs plastic biz I refer to.

But back to the question.......
 
I could find your house and maybe Hives from that if i was that way inclined .

Have fun.

My vampire rabbits will kill you, if they don't the killer chickens will, and if by luck they don't then the queenless hive, that I keep like that, for people who want to investigate my gardens will.

I know my hives have stopped a burglary before as the people were seen fleeing after trying to move it to climb the fence into my neighbours garden and got a shock when hundreds of bees came out and introduced themselves to them. Some people are such Dumb F**ks, you see bees leaving a box and then u try and move it duh.

Oh by the way I wouldn't bother though as I don't keep hives in my garden anymore (due to a neighbour complaining about the bees) also my kit is kept else where to as I have a much more secure site which I pay for.
 
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'here is some advice from different trading standards'.

Yes, they seem to give different advice according to their own interpretation of the law. Here is an example (nothing to do with honey!):

Friends with a B&B were told that they must use all plastic chopping boards and corresponding knives of different colours for food preparation, because plastic was safe and wood was not. Their next door county does not specify wood or plastic.
When they looked up the facts, they found that there had not been any research into the relative safety of plastic and wood chopping boards.

Later, an American microbiologist was told that plastic was safer than wood and found the same lack of evidence, so he did the research and found wood was safer. Here is an example:
http://faculty.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/faculty/docliver/Researc/cuttingboard.htm

Obviously boards for raw meat / fish and cooked meats, salad ingredients etc should be different and kept separate. It is the wood vs plastic biz I refer to.

But back to the question.......

Ahh now that's not trading standards that's Environmental Health (mental being about right with them). There has never been a law about using different coloured boards it has always been to do with HACCP and making sure you reduce risks as much as possible. The reason they tell people to use different boards is that so much food poisoning was being caused by people using just one board for the whole food service with raw and cooked on the same one.

I agree that Wood is best that's why butchers still use them. Its just all about reducing risk.

Its like the magic plastic glove you see people wearing in a sarnie shop because they were told to by EHO. they think it stops food poisoning just by wearing it, they don't change it and they still handle money and then make sarnies in the same one. why bother no better than without but they were told to so blindly do with out questioning the reasoning, regular hand washing is so much better.
 
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The link appears not work, so here is some of it:

PLASTIC AND WOODEN CUTTING BOARDS

Dean O. Cliver, Ph.D

We began our research comparing plastic and wooden cutting boards after the U.S. Department of Agriculture told us they had no scientific evidence to support their recommendation that plastic, rather than wooden cutting boards be used in home kitchens. Then and since, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Meat and Poultry Inspection Manual (official regulations) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's 1999 Food Code (recommended regulations for restaurants and retail food sales in the various states of the U.S.) permit use of cutting boards made of maple or similar close-grained hardwood. They do not specifically authorize acceptable plastic materials, nor do they specify how plastic surfaces must be maintained.


Our research was first intended to develop means of disinfecting wooden cutting surfaces at home, so that they would be almost as safe as plastics. Our safety concern was that bacteria such as Escherichia coli O157:H7 and Salmonella, which might contaminate a work surface when raw meat was being prepared, ought not remain on the surface to contaminate other foods that might be eaten without further cooking. We soon found that disease bacteria such as these were not recoverable from wooden surfaces in a short time after they were applied, unless very large numbers were used. New plastic surfaces allowed the bacteria to persist, but were easily cleaned and disinfected. However, wooden boards that had been used and had many knife cuts acted almost the same as new wood, whereas plastic surfaces that were knife-scarred were impossible to clean and disinfect manually, especially when food residues such as chicken fat were present. Scanning electron micrographs revealed highly significant damage to plastic surfaces from knife cuts.


Although the bacteria that have disappeared from the wood surfaces are found alive inside the wood for some time after application, they evidently do not multiply, and they gradually die. They can be detected only by splitting or gouging the wood or by forcing water completely through from one surface to the other. If a sharp knife is used to cut into the work surfaces after used plastic or wood has been contaminated with bacteria and cleaned manually, more bacteria are recovered from a used plastic surface than from a used wood surface.


"Manual cleaning" in our experiments has been done with a sponge, hot tapwater, and liquid dishwashing detergent. Mechanical cleaning with a dishwashing machine can be done successfully with plastic surfaces (even if knife-scarred) and wooden boards especially made for this. Wooden boards, but not plastics, that are small enough to fit into a microwave oven can be disinfected rapidly, but care must be used to prevent overheating. Work surfaces that have been cleaned can be disinfected with bleach (sodium hypochlorite) solutions; this disinfection is reliable only if cleaning has been done successfully.


The experiments described have been conducted with more than 10 species of hardwoods and with 4 plastic polymers, as well as hard rubber. Because we found essentially no differences among the tested wood species, not all combinations of bacteria and wood were tested, nor were all combinations of bacteria and plastics or hard rubber. Bacteria tested, in addition to those named above, include Campylobacter jejuni, Listeria monocytogenes, and Staphylococcus aureus.


We believe that the experiments were designed to be properly representative of conditions in a home kitchen. They may or may not be applicable to other plastic and wooden food contact surfaces or to cutting boards in commercial food processing or food service operations, but we have no reason to believe that they are not relevant, except that not all plastic surfaces are subject to knife-scarring. Before our first studies had been published, they were criticized incorrectly for not having included used (knife-scarred) cutting surfaces. We had been careful to include used surfaces, and so were surprised that others who did later experiments and claimed to have refuted our findings often had used only new plastic and wood. Although some established scientific laboratories say their results differ from ours, we have received multiple communications from school children who have done science projects that have reached essentially the same conclusions that we did.


We have no commercial relationships to any company making cutting boards or other food preparation utensils. We have tested boards and cleaning and disinfection products, some of which were supplied to us gratis. We have not tested all of the products that have been sent to us, simply because there is not time. We are aware that there are other food preparation surfaces made of glass or of stainless steel; we have done very little with these because they are quite destructive of the sharp cutting edges of knives, and therefore introduce another class of hazard to the kitchen. We believe, on the basis of our published and to-be-published research, that food can be prepared safely on wooden cutting surfaces and that plastic cutting surfaces present some disadvantages that had been overlooked until we found them.


In addition to our laboratory research on this subject, we learned after arriving in California in June of 1995 that a case-control study of sporadic salmonellosis had been done in this region and included cutting boards among many risk factors assessed (Kass, P.H., et al., Disease determinants of sporadic salmonellosis in four northern California counties: a case control study of older children and adults. Ann. Epidemiol. 2:683-696, 1992.). The project had been conducted before our work began. It revealed that those using wooden cutting boards in their home kitchens were less than half as likely as average to contract salmonellosis (odds ratio 0.42, 95% confidence interval 0.22-0.81), those using synthetic (plastic or glass) cutting boards were about twice as likely as average to contract salmonellosis (O.R. 1.99, C.I. 1.03-3.85); and the effect of cleaning the board regularly after preparing meat on it was not statistically significant (O.R. 1.20, C.I. 0.54-2.68). We know of no similar research that has been done anywhere, so we regard it as the best epidemiological evidence available to date that wooden cutting boards are not a hazard to human health, but plastic cutting boards may be.


Publications to date from our work:


Ak, N. O., D. O. Cliver, and C. W. Kaspar. 1994. Cutting boards of plastic and wood contaminated experimentally with bacteria. J. Food Protect. 57: 16-22.

Ak, N. O., D. O. Cliver, and C. W. Kaspar. 1994. Decontamination of plastic and wooden cutting boards for kitchen use. J. Food Protect. 57: 23-30,36.

Galluzzo, L., and D. O. Cliver. 1996. Cutting boards and bacteria--oak vs. Salmonella. Dairy, Food Environ. Sanit. 16: 290-293.

Park, P. K., and D. O. Cliver. 1996. Disinfection of household cutting boards with a microwave oven. J. Food. Protect. 59: 1049-1054.

Park, P. K., and D. O. Cliver. 1997. Cutting boards up close. Food Quality 3(Issue 22, June-July): 57-59.

Others are in preparation.

Thanks for all replies, I am hoping Swarm is correct!
 
relates to Level 2 Food Safety certification... that anyone who handles food sold to the public MUST have?

Yeghes da
 
Have fun.

My vampire rabbits will kill you, if they don't the killer chickens will, and if by luck they don't then the queenless hive, that I keep like that, for people who want to investigate my gardens will.

I know my hives have stopped a burglary before as the people were seen fleeing after trying to move it to climb the fence into my neighbours garden and got a shock when hundreds of bees came out and introduced themselves to them. Some people are such Dumb F**ks, you see bees leaving a box and then u try and move it duh.

Oh by the way I wouldn't bother though as I don't keep hives in my garden anymore (due to a neighbour complaining about the bees) also my kit is kept else where to as I have a much more secure site which I pay for.
You are safe from me so don't worry or try to explain, i only commented on this link as folk can be found by the wrong people by the said information on the label from a jar.

Personally i would give neutral address from a relative many miles away.
 
Personally i would give neutral address from a relative many miles away.

I just love a Law abiding Citizen!

Yeghes da
 
relates to Level 2 Food Safety certification... that anyone who handles food sold to the public MUST have?

Yeghes da

Wrong sorry.

As long as 1 person working in the establishment has the level 2 you are covered, Usually a supervisor or owner. but it is good practice to have as many staff as possible with at least Level 1 if not level 2 as you can afford.
 
You are safe from me so don't worry or try to explain, i only commented on this link as folk can be found by the wrong people by the said information on the label from a jar.

Personally i would give neutral address from a relative many miles away.

Why would I be worried as its on my labels.

And if you needed to be contacted by trading standards or others about your product you could then be prosecuted for giving false information on your label.
 
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Why would I be worried as its on my labels.

And if you needed to be contacted by trading standards or others about your product you could then be prosecuted for giving false information on your label.
FFS you have just been saying your chickens and rabbits will kill people and whatever else. i was just mentioning it through the current hive theft's.
 
Wrong sorry.

As long as 1 person working in the establishment has the level 2 you are covered, Usually a supervisor or owner. but it is good practice to have as many staff as possible with at least Level 1 if not level 2 as you can afford.

NO that is NOT correct
Supervisors have to have a different grade of certification that is above level 2

Level one has now been superceeded!!!
Level 2 is NOT supervisory

ANYONE handling food HAS to be trained to LEVEL 2 ( there is even a variant for producers / manufacturers) IF they are preparing or handling food to be sold for consumption to the public.. IT IS THE LAW


Our local Farmers Markets now demand to see to current food safety certificate AND the producers product liability insurance certificate!

Nothing to do with proper labeling.. but the Law is the Law!! sorry

Yeghes da
 
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FFS you have just been saying your chickens and rabbits will kill people and whatever else. i was just mentioning it through the current hive theft's.

Cant you take a joke
 

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