Insulation: I don't get it!

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Seems to me the Forum is getting a bit soft.

Too many people wanting insulation from a bit of criticism

Can't agree that JBM's guilty of anything more than a pouring cold water on half baked ideas.


Dusty
 
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Fools and Bums, Our Lord loves all of his flock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strikes me JBM that you think you are above the rest of us.
 
Too many people wanting insulation from a bit of criticism

Can't agree that JBM's guilty of anything more than a pouring cold water on half baked ideas.


Dusty

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Seems to me the Forum is getting a bit soft.

Too many people wanting insulation from a bit of criticism

Can't agree that JBM's guilty of anything more than a pouring cold water on half baked ideas.


Dusty


I just wonder what's half-baked about Hawklord's year; it matters to the discussion given his arrangements and it didn't seem it needed cold water poured on it.
 
I just wonder what's half-baked about Hawklord's year; it matters to the discussion given his arrangements and it didn't seem it needed cold water poured on it.

I quite like Hawklord's approach.

I was thinking about others' half-baked ideas and responses.


You get cold water when hot air passes over thin ice.©*


Dusty
* not really - but it's a good line, isn't it?
 
Meanwhile back of topic ...

If Pargyle is correct, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, we're looking at a maximum temperature gradient between inside and outside at the top of a 14x12 hive of 10 degrees. Putting 10cm of EPF on the top reduces heat losses through the crown board but this still leaves the walls where heat can be lost.

The temperature under the crown board is the same as the temperature at the top of the wall and 11cm height of wall perimeter has the same area as the roof so you could lose nearly as much heat through the top of the walls as you lose through the roof.

The temperature inside the hive at the OMF is the same as the outside temperature so this reduces the temperature gradient across the hive walls as you descend down the walls, so you lose less heat but nevertheless I suspect you lose another "roofsworth" of heat energy in the rest of the wall, below the 11cm mark - my calculus is not up to doing the calculations!

To mind simple mind, it makes sense to insulate the walls as well as the roof, with the walls losing twice as much heat, in total, as the roof.

It also makes sense to try to shed any water falling on the roof so that you're not losing latent heat of vapourisation. Keeping the hive/insulation as dry as possible seems to me to be desireable.

I know there are lots of people out there who will disagree with my analysis but I will care for my bees according to what I think the best solution is. Others might get good results using other methods - I might get Hawklord's honey crop quantity next year if only I can master swarm control. That's the problem with beekeeping - there are so many variables that when you think you've mastered on aspect, another come along and stings you on the bottom.

CVB
 
To mind simple mind, it makes sense to insulate the walls as well as the roof, with the walls losing twice as much heat, in total, as the roof.



CVB

When you have house insulation, is it enough that you have insulated loft?

Do you keep your doors shut during winter and what about windows ... ?

It should not be so difficult.



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To mind simple mind, it makes sense to insulate the walls as well as the roof, with the walls losing twice as much heat, in total, as the roof.



CVB

When you have house insulation, is it enough that you have insulated loft?

Do you keep your doors shut during winter... ?

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The pic does not have energy loss via warm water to sewage.
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Once I measured the energy loss of the room in summer cottage: where heat escapes...

The room was 20C and the door surface temperature was +6C. And 2 doors in the room. The door had only 4 mm ply in the mirror part. The temp behind the door was -4C.
Out temp was -18C.
 
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When you have house insulation, is it enough that you have insulated loft?

Do you keep your doors shut during winter and what about windows ... ?

It should not be so difficult.



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I have windows open on latch, if I don't I suffer with breathing problems. I have also noticed condensation on the windows, which if not removed grows mould.
 
To mind simple mind, it makes sense to insulate the walls as well as the roof, with the walls losing twice as much heat, in total, as the roof.

Simple suggestion; use poly walls! (ie change to polyhives).

It also makes sense to try to shed any water falling on the roof so that you're not losing latent heat of vapourisation.

Practically totally irrelevant. Only the temperature is important. Often better to have snow on the roof rather than even colder air flows, if you think about it.

-have also noticed condensation on the windows, which if not removed grows mould.

Quite right, but what has that got to do with hives? Yes, cold, damp frames are often covered in mould. Absolutely no problem with damp and mould in a polyhive! Absolutely no problem with damp and mould in my timber hives since changing to OMF with no top ventilation. So what is your problem?
 
If there was only one way to keep bees what would you all find to talk about ? Having said that my way is always best!!
 
Having said that my way is always best!!



"my way is always best" is like a natural law in beekeeping. It is same with home grown potatotes. Nothing is as good as my own potatoes!

Actually a good yield comes from good pastures. If some one else brings his 20 hives nearby, you get almost nothing.
 
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