how to check for real honey

[Swarm]

i did read somewhere that if you put a few drops of honey on a tissue paper if it fails to sock through then it real or something like that.

other one goes something like this, drop a few drops of honey into a glass of water and if it dissolves then its mixed, or something of that nature.

Correct, it's a pretty good starting point.

 

[Cussword]

NONSENCE... every one knows that the flux capacitor will only work in the antipodes,Yeghes da

Ah, but would an antipodean flux capacitor take you forward to the past

 

[BrianO]

Ah, but would an antipodean flux capacitor take you forward to the past

Or back so your behind.... your behind .... So to speak !

 

[nagabee]

I dont have fake or bought honey but real honey sits in a blob like this on paper if you have something to compare it to?

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thanks jonnybeegood, will check it out.

after a long discussed have arrive at the conclusion that antipodean flux capacitor is totally useless in the khazi regions, since unlike the tardis it does not have a 8th diamansion.

 

[nagabee]

found this on utube,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIROuMdWNxY

 

[Finman]

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If you look international honey prices, it not much in harbor per kilo. It makes no sense to add sugar to honey and put it danger the whole business.
To sell honey into marketing chain is hard job too. There is hard competition between companies.

 

[pargyle]

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If you look international honey prices, it not much in harbor per kilo. It makes no sense to add sugar to honey and put it danger the whole business.
To sell honey into marketing chain is hard job too. There is hard competition between companies.

But ... As you have told us on MANY occasions ... Sugar is a whole lot cheaper than honey ... so, whilst no reputable honey supplier would risk their reputation by diluting the honey with sugar, I can well see that unscrupulous honey sellers could enhance their profit.

I doubt that there are any substantial problems in the UK but the USA had a significant problem 4 or 5 years ago and as such it can happen ... apparently the best method for detection of sugar adulteration of honey is by using One-Dimensional and Two-Dimensional High-Resolution Nuclear Magnetic Resonance. Simples ???

 

[nagabee]

what happens in my part of the world is that people go around selling honey in bottles. they mix it with sugar, this is not wholesale enterprise but individuals out to make max profit by cheating.

 

[itma]

what happens in my part of the world is that people go around selling honey in bottles. they mix it with sugar, this is not wholesale enterprise but individuals out to make max profit by cheating.

"Private Enterprise" in India is notoriously not very well 'policed'.

In the UK, there are laws that provide technical specifications that a product must meet in order to be sold as 'honey'.
Selling something, and calling it 'honey' if it doesn't meet the specifications can get you into trouble with the law.
Local Trading Standards officers can be quite keen on checking up on amateur beekeepers.

Sadly, there isn't anything that an individual customer (without access to any test equipment) can do to test honey (other than taste it). Which is why the officials are keen to ensure that only real 'honey' is ever on open sale.
Imports from abroad are tested for contamination (particularly metals and antibiotics) as part of normal import controls. The sampling often depends on the official confidence in the supporting documentation. Because of past problems with then-banned Chinese honey being 'laundered' through Indian merchants, I suspect that most 'Indian' honey would be thoroughly checked ...

Here's an example of the sort of specification required before calling a product "honey" http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/2243/schedule/2/made

 

[Finman]

Douple

 

[Finman]

But ... As you have told us on MANY occasions ... Sugar is a whole lot cheaper than honey ... so, whilst no reputable honey supplier would risk their reputation

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With customer prices. Look at import prices on US harbor. China rules global prices.

So you that opinion that foreign countries mix Sugar to honey and UK officers accept that kind if import.

So, it is not sellers fault to sell Sugar as honey. Biggest fault is that British food control system is not able to control quality of honey.

Is that so or what are you saying.. My fault?

 

[DanBee]

there must be a lot of people that over feed syrup in spring, & this is stored in frames & mixed with nectar

It doesn't work like that - if the bees mixed syrup in with stored honey then the water content of the 'honey' would be too high, and fermentation would result. No good for them and nothing usable for us to extract. They don't do this - they ripen the syrup to honey as they would any nectar from an external source. Clearly we could debate whether it is proper honey, since it is from a non-floral source... but they aren't just packing syrup into cells.

The OP is asking about extracted honey subsequently diluted with sugar syrup, IMHO. Different ball game entirely. The Honey Regulations determine such esoteric characteristics as enzyme levels, electrical conductivity, and so on that allow honey to be differentiated from adulterated/diluted honey.

 

[jonnybeegood]

It doesn't work like that - if the bees mixed syrup in with stored honey then the water content of the 'honey' would be too high, and fermentation would result. No good for them and nothing usable for us to extract. They don't do this - they ripen the syrup to honey as they would any nectar from an external source. Clearly we could debate whether it is proper honey, since it is from a non-floral source... but they aren't just packing syrup into cells.

The OP is asking about extracted honey subsequently diluted with sugar syrup, IMHO. Different ball game entirely. The Honey Regulations determine such esoteric characteristics as enzyme levels, electrical conductivity, and so on that allow honey to be differentiated from adulterated/diluted honey.

Yes i realise they dont mix the syrup with honey & that it has to ripen, but does ripened syrup actually become honey? If bees were only given syrup & they ripened it & capped then surely that isnt honey?theres more to honey than that. What i wondered if this ripened capped syrup could be mixed with real honey in some countries then sent here to be mixed by manufacturers unknowingly.

 

[Finman]

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Why don't you ask from outhorieties how often they catch syrup mixer criminals. This discussion is pure imagination, but claims are severe. Somebody mix in some country? Can you name some?

Just joking or what?!

IT is same as imported queens carry diseases but local not.

 

[B+.]

Douple

Is this a Finnish word? I don't know what this means.

The Honey regulations were amended recently in order to comply with EU Law (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/1348/made). I'd be suprised if your laws haven't also changed Finman

 

[Finman]

Is this a Finnish word? I don't know what this means.

The Honey regulations were amended recently in order to comply with EU Law (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/1348/made). I'd be suprised if your laws haven't also changed Finman

But nothing new in adding sugar or is it allowed now?

 

[wessexmario]

Douple

Is this a Finnish word? I don't know what this means.

it's Finmannish for a post that was a "doubled duplicate".

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Douple

it's Finmannish for a post that was a "doubled duplicate".

They have similar in the Netherlands - it's called Double Dutch

 

[Finman]

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In Finnish language we say tupla.

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[B+.]

But nothing new in adding sugar or is it allowed now?

That would be an additive so selling it as honey would be illegal, unless it was for use as a baking ingredient (in which case it would be labelled as such).
I'm wondering what ALDI will do with all that Rowse chinese honey they were selling now