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Some beekeepers here say to use beeswax because of physical properties. Most of the recipes to mix wax involve about 1/3 pine rosin combined with either 2/3 paraffin or 1/3 paraffin and 1/3 beeswax. Dipping temperature is suggested as 160 to 165 C. Once wax dipped, paint immediately while hot which will suck the paint into the wood. Treated boxes are good for about 40 years of use.

Rosin can be purchased in bulk on ebay and amazon. Paraffin may be a bit more difficult to locate depending on where you are. Higher melting point wax is usually recommended. Avoid wax that has dies or perfumes, not because the bees don't like it, but because it causes foaming when the wax is hot. If done properly, yes, it kills AFB spores.

I agree, when I only had a few bits to do and was running out of paraffin I used beeswax mixed, worked a treat. For an extra 10-15 years I'd say its worth painting unless you have to keep painting for that 40 years.

I cant work out why paraffin is so expensive compared to other oil based products? Demand I suppose. Handy to know it kills AFB spores, I have dipped boxes after AFB, now I dont even bother scortching them though.
 
Some beekeepers here say to use beeswax because of physical properties. Most of the recipes to mix wax involve about 1/3 pine rosin combined with either 2/3 paraffin or 1/3 paraffin and 1/3 beeswax. Dipping temperature is suggested as 160 to 165 C. Once wax dipped, paint immediately while hot which will suck the paint into the wood. Treated boxes are good for about 40 years of use.

Rosin can be purchased in bulk on ebay and amazon. Paraffin may be a bit more difficult to locate depending on where you are. Higher melting point wax is usually recommended. Avoid wax that has dies or perfumes, not because the bees don't like it, but because it causes foaming when the wax is hot. If done properly, yes, it kills AFB spores.

Do you have any specific recipes please Fusion Power? Thats a higher dipping temperature than others, interesting!!
 
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I treated my hive parts with paraffin, but it gove no help. I let it be. Not my stuff.

White paint on hive wall is usefull, because sun does not heat much the hive, when hive is running hot in heavy flow.
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Do you have any specific recipes please Fusion Power? Thats a higher dipping temperature than others, interesting!!

All the guys I know (and all are abroad) that do this go at high temperatures. To give an exact temperature is hard as the wax comes in different grades which have different temperatures at which they reach the various critical points.

However............the term dipping is fine but if it is leaving much in the way of visible wax on the boxes its not hot enough. The wax should almost be smoking and the term that (although not used) is more accurate might be frying the boxes in hot wax.

As other posters have alluded too this causes any water in the wood to be expelled, even the air in it expands massively, and once the box is removed from the tank it cools rapidly and draws all the wax still on it into the wood.

They dip the whole box in the wax at once, so its a lot of wax in their tank. Once out it appears bone dry almost immediately and if you are going to paint its best to do it while still hot. My friend in California painted his either with white or silver paint (the silver was a primer type...not sure which) too keep the heat down inside the hive in summer.

Where the paint flaked it was due to too much wax remaining on the outside so they had not been done hot enough.

Properly dipped boxes still looked almost new after 20 years. He had a few that had never been painted that were done by his father many years before and you would have thought them to only be a couple of years old.

Any that still had wax on the exterior were terribly slippy to use and until the bees had joined them on even a modest wind could cause the upper boxes to slide off a hive and tying loads down on a truck was interesting.

Never done it here because, done properly, it is a hazardo0us process and the wax catching fire was a fairly regular event as it was not too far below flash point. They kept the full panoply of fire fighting gear close at hand. Our space is relatively constricted and the potential for a nice vigorous wax fire near a store full of bee boxes is not an insurable risk.

AFB destruction? Yes have heard that gear from AFB hives that is wax fried does not get any recurrence of AFB upon reuse. Is it dead or entombed? Don't know but the practical result is the same.
 
All the guys I know (and all are abroad) that do this go at high temperatures. To give an exact temperature is hard as the wax comes in different grades which have different temperatures at which they reach the various critical points.

However............the term dipping is fine but if it is leaving much in the way of visible wax on the boxes its not hot enough. The wax should almost be smoking and the term that (although not used) is more accurate might be frying the boxes in hot wax.

As other posters have alluded too this causes any water in the wood to be expelled, even the air in it expands massively, and once the box is removed from the tank it cools rapidly and draws all the wax still on it into the wood.

They dip the whole box in the wax at once, so its a lot of wax in their tank. Once out it appears bone dry almost immediately and if you are going to paint its best to do it while still hot. My friend in California painted his either with white or silver paint (the silver was a primer type...not sure which) too keep the heat down inside the hive in summer.

Where the paint flaked it was due to too much wax remaining on the outside so they had not been done hot enough.

Properly dipped boxes still looked almost new after 20 years. He had a few that had never been painted that were done by his father many years before and you would have thought them to only be a couple of years old.

Any that still had wax on the exterior were terribly slippy to use and until the bees had joined them on even a modest wind could cause the upper boxes to slide off a hive and tying loads down on a truck was interesting.

Never done it here because, done properly, it is a hazardo0us process and the wax catching fire was a fairly regular event as it was not too far below flash point. They kept the full panoply of fire fighting gear close at hand. Our space is relatively constricted and the potential for a nice vigorous wax fire near a store full of bee boxes is not an insurable risk.

AFB destruction? Yes have heard that gear from AFB hives that is wax fried does not get any recurrence of AFB upon reuse. Is it dead or entombed? Don't know but the practical result is the same.

Thanks ITTLD as usual a very thorough explanation. thank you!! I am really looking to do this properly, or not at all and i wanted to get the right set up.
I really like your term "frying the boxes in hot wax", that i suppose sums up whats really needed to get a great treatment!
At the moment i am treating the exterior or my hives with a wood based preservative, which borderline acceptable, then when they have dried for a week or so, i use two coats of Ronseal water based Exterior wood stain, so the pine hives soak up the treatment, it generally dosent go through in to the inside. Once the water based stuff has dried its really good and lasts long time, and the underlying treatment does protect against worm and fungal attack. I also paint mine upside down, as the wood at the bottom of the hive gets often wet and where the base meets the floor, if it holds moisture is the key entrance place for rot to start. So by painting upside down this gets really good coats of paints and is certainly more resistant. the top to the hive when its un use is always protected by the roof etc.
I have heard that years ago, some beekeepers used too treat their hives inside and out with several coats or creosote. Sounds dreadful, but apparently it had no effect on the bees whatsoever. We cant do that these days, for a couple of reasons, but mostly because we believe its another thing that might stack against the strength of the colony, (if it did have an effect on it ) combined with all the other factors our bees now face, (Varroa, treatments, neocotinoidal insecticides, fungicides and the list goes on.)
The one thing that appears to come through with this, is if done properly, it will last for years with nothing else needed and there would be no possible issue with wax treatment affecting the bees, which i really like!!!!
Its all about working out if is it really worth it.
 
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I have heard that years ago, some beekeepers used too treat their hives inside and out with several coats or creosote.

It's still the usual practise in Southern Africa in fact, some equipment suppliers give you the option (for a minimal extra charge) to buy your hives pre-creosoted. Doesn't seem to do the bees any harm
 
All the guys I know (and all are abroad) that do this go at high temperatures. To give an exact temperature is hard as the wax comes in different grades which have different temperatures at which they reach the various critical points.

However............the term dipping is fine but if it is leaving much in the way of visible wax on the boxes its not hot enough. The wax should almost be smoking and the term that (although not used) is more accurate might be frying the boxes in hot wax.

Absolutely correct, as hot as possible, smoking is better. I think its a little like cooking chips, smells similar too.

As other posters have alluded too this causes any water in the wood to be expelled, even the air in it expands massively, and once the box is removed from the tank it cools rapidly and draws all the wax still on it into the wood.

They dip the whole box in the wax at once, so its a lot of wax in their tank. Once out it appears bone dry almost immediately and if you are going to paint its best to do it while still hot. My friend in California painted his either with white or silver paint (the silver was a primer type...not sure which) too keep the heat down inside the hive in summer.

I do one side of a brood box at a time for around a minute, means you dont need a huge amount of very hot wax taking fire. I imagine dipping the whole box would be very dangerous if it fell back in and would require tools to get it out safely.

Where the paint flaked it was due to too much wax remaining on the outside so they had not been done hot enough.

Properly dipped boxes still looked almost new after 20 years. He had a few that had never been painted that were done by his father many years before and you would have thought them to only be a couple of years old.

Any that still had wax on the exterior were terribly slippy to use and until the bees had joined them on even a modest wind could cause the upper boxes to slide off a hive and tying loads down on a truck was interesting.

Never done it here because, done properly, it is a hazardo0us process and the wax catching fire was a fairly regular event as it was not too far below flash point. They kept the full panoply of fire fighting gear close at hand. Our space is relatively constricted and the potential for a nice vigorous wax fire near a store full of bee boxes is not an insurable risk.

I do it out the back so if it does catch fire it would have no more than 5kg in it, and would just burn out, however, I'm not what you would call careful and the only fire I get is when some paraffin drops down the side of the drum, even then it doesnt catch.

AFB destruction? Yes have heard that gear from AFB hives that is wax fried does not get any recurrence of AFB upon reuse. Is it dead or entombed? Don't know but the practical result is the same.

It is a very good method but not without quite a high risk, I think I'll continue here probably just as I absolutely hate painting hives, and still not got the hang of these quotes!
 
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I have 50 y old pine boxes. They have water soluble in the surface. Wood is hard as new.

It is easier way to treat ABF, ... if you have such...
 
This is something that I have been concisering now for a while the only thing that has put me off so far is the setup costs of it all. To do it right and safely as possible you should have a custom made tank for the job and it takes rather allot of wax to fill it.

I had priced up using 50/50 mix of paraffin and microcrystalline wax the microcrystaine wax will give the equipment its hardness and prevent the paraffin wax leaching out in warm days.

When you buy the wax it's usually made specific to you but I ran into problems of minimum order quantities and I didn't really want to meet them.

And when paint is £80 for 20 litres and I can stack the boxes up and spray them it's perhaps a job for another year. I did also read you can paint first without any mither and dip later.
 
There's a recent discussion of this on Beesource ... $2700 for the stainless steel tank and about half that again for the wax mix to fill it. I've no idea whether this is a good setup or not. His temperature regulation (manual) looks a bit risky considering the fire potential. Claims ~12 minutes per treatment and ~4 oz wax per 'medium' (Langstroth box).
 

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