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What is the spec for spinning honey out of frames in a out shed/cabin/container ? Is hot water a must have in the room or would access too be ok? This is in the planning stage so I have time to get it right.
 
What is the spec for spinning honey out of frames in a out shed/cabin/container ? Is hot water a must have in the room or would access too be ok? This is in the planning stage so I have time to get it right.

A radio is essential, and plenty of hot water and a huge sink for washing up!
I am planning a specific honey shack that can be steam washed... it will be away from the existing commercial kitchen that has the bottle washing machine and bottling equipment etc.
It will be 8 foot x 20 foot* and will be located a distance from the house and barn (* within the scope of permissive planning in our neck of the woods)
The floor will have drainage set into it and the walls finished in milking parlor cladding so that it can be fully washed / steamed down
I know already it will be too small!
It will have to house the Apimelter, decapping station... a 20 frame Thomas and two 12 frame centrifuges, plus I have been informed by SWMBO all of the wax wrangling kit and kiboodle and wax refining and candle making stuff.

Have fun
Yeghes da
 
8'x20' - converted shipping container? No planning required: http://donnellycabins.com/shipping-containers/#iLightbox[gallery-1]/6
A few years ago a forumer picked up a couple of shipping containers that had been modified into site huts. One became an extracting suite, the other a store. A dedicated honey house is my next step.

Wash down cladding is essential - especially if you are operating to the extent that you register with trading standards etc. Food business = food hygiene.
 
I did think about shipping container, they are often for sale over here, why I don't know as we don't have any huge ports lol . Is no planning really needed for these? I find it hard to believe are local Mafia planning agents wouldn't have it moved out weeks in my green field site.
 
My understanding is that they are viewed in the same way as caravans (Caravan Regulations) and do not fall under planning legislation as they, like caravans, can be readily moved. The same legislation applies to certain designs of log cabins:http://www.logcabinssouthwest.co.uk/mobile-homescaravans
Always worth checking with local planning dept though.
 
They would require it moved a certain distance every six months like they do my caravan that's there! Although I not moved out in 4 years now : )
 
They would require it moved a certain distance every six months like they do my caravan that's there! Although I not moved out in 4 years now : )

An archaic furlong I believe!

Mr Autoglym the snotty neighbor who bitched about my garden bees shitting on his van, also recently complained about a shepherds hut I have placed in the orchard as a refuge for my autistic son.
When Mr Planner showed up he took one look and said .. it is a shepherds hut and remarkably original too and on its original wheels... I can not see what the chap is complaining about!!!( Turned out Mr Planning was a shepherds hut fanatic and a beekeeper!!!)

However if I plan to build a composting loo it must conform to regulations... more than 2m from a boundary OK to be 4m to the apex if a pitched roof and not more than 2.5 m to the eaves... or if less than 2m from a boundary no more than 2.5mhigh overall.

If in an ANOB a completely different set of planning constraints apply.

Also another planning quirk... dig down more than 2m and you will need planning.....
as it becomes an engineering construction!

Happy days

Yeghes da
 
Most posts are about planning and a container and 'nuf said. The (other) importsnt part you need to address is food hygiene and safety. The unit must be registered if you sell or give away the honey. This is mainly down to environmental health officers (EHOs). If you have a sketch and some ideas then go to them before you spend any money and you'll find them helpful in seeing that you meet requirements. Even if it is just a hobby they'll give some help. For example, although hot water has been mentioned, there are a number of complications with even what appears to be a simple plumbing job as temperatures are specified - for safety and legionella where appropriate - so easiest to go to the EHOs before fixing your ideas on any system. One other comment on steam cleaning. It can be a disaster. There are problems with condensation, differential expansion of cladding etc. I've seen a lot of expensive damage done with large steam cleaners. Don't forget electrical safety systems for containers are not the same as for a domestic/traditional building.
 
If you have hot water, there will be a temptation to wash stuff with wax on it in hot water which could result in wax going down the drain and solidifying there. If you can be SURE that's not going to happen, then go ahead with the hot water. I'd be a bit circumspect if I were you.

CVB
 
Most posts are about planning and a container and 'nuf said. The (other) importsnt part you need to address is food hygiene and safety. The unit must be registered if you sell or give away the honey. This is mainly down to environmental health officers (EHOs). If you have a sketch and some ideas then go to them before you spend any money and you'll find them helpful in seeing that you meet requirements. Even if it is just a hobby they'll give some help. For example, although hot water has been mentioned, there are a number of complications with even what appears to be a simple plumbing job as temperatures are specified - for safety and legionella where appropriate - so easiest to go to the EHOs before fixing your ideas on any system. One other comment on steam cleaning. It can be a disaster. There are problems with condensation, differential expansion of cladding etc. I've seen a lot of expensive damage done with large steam cleaners. Don't forget electrical safety systems for containers are not the same as for a domestic/traditional building.

All good points... the steam cleaner we use is for the stainless steel worktops, the centrifuge drums and other equipment used in extraction.
Parlor Cladding would be washed down with an approved biodegradable cleaning agent as is used in the turkey plucking and gutting sheds where blood guts and feathers get into every nook and cranny it seems!

Common sense should be applied whenever using steam, chemicals and even hot water.... such common sense seems to be sadly lacking in some... which I presume is why the battery for my Harley Davidson has a big red sticker advising not to drink the liquid in the battery!

Yeghes da
 
If you have hot water, there will be a temptation to wash stuff with wax on it in hot water which could result in wax going down the drain and solidifying there. If you can be SURE that's not going to happen, then go ahead with the hot water. I'd be a bit circumspect if I were you.

CVB

CVB was it you who had to buy SWMBO a new dishwasher after you cleaned some waxy frames in it?

Yeghes da
 
which I presume is why the battery for my Harley Davidson has a big red sticker advising not to drink the liquid in the battery!

Yeghes da

Seriously?! Americans have to be told everything. These was once a lawsuit in the States wherein a man sued a vacuum cleaner manufacturer because he used it to clean the stairs but put the cleaner at the top of the staircase and as he stretched the hose the cleaner fell on him. There should be laws against being stupid!
 
Seriously?! Americans have to be told everything. These was once a lawsuit in the States wherein a man sued a vacuum cleaner manufacturer because he used it to clean the stairs but put the cleaner at the top of the staircase and as he stretched the hose the cleaner fell on him. There should be laws against being stupid!

:winner1st:
Nothing sucks like an Electrolux !

Nos da
 
seriously?! Americans have to be told everything. These was once a lawsuit in the states wherein a man sued a vacuum cleaner manufacturer because he used it to clean the stairs but put the cleaner at the top of the staircase and as he stretched the hose the cleaner fell on him. There should be laws against being stupid!

link /reference to this would be interesting,
 
8'x20' - converted shipping container? No planning required: http://donnellycabins.com/shipping-containers/#iLightbox[gallery-1]/6
A few years ago a forumer picked up a couple of shipping containers that had been modified into site huts. One became an extracting suite, the other a store. A dedicated honey house is my next step.

Wash down cladding is essential - especially if you are operating to the extent that you register with trading standards etc. Food business = food hygiene.

If I had the room and in need of the storage space, an old refrigerated truck body with working refrigeration, can be set to heat as well as cold, could be useful.
 
Any reasons why a large box trailer wouldn't work?
 

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