Heating honey

[Popparand]

Ted Hooper (and others) recommend that crystalised honey should be heated at 130f for two days before bottling. That seems a long long time. Does it really have to be held at that temperature for so long?

 

[Ian123]

Will depend on what the honey is how big your buckets are and what equipment for heating. Also if your prepared to give it the odd stir to get lumps breaking down and better heat dispersal. Some of the cabinet types maybe better for long and slow, water jackets can get the job done faster, probably depends a lot on what you have equipment wise

 

[Hebeegeebee]

It takes along time for heat to permeate through to the centre of a bucket.

 

[For want of a better word]

Ted Hooper (and others) recommend that crystalised honey should be heated at 130f for two days before bottling. That seems a long long time. Does it really have to be held at that temperature for so long?

https://www.google.com/search?q=f+to+c&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab
That's 55.4 centigrade or is it Celcius.
One American site says that temperature to give a granulation free shelf life for three months.
I do not like to heat honey to much above 40 c

Chons da

 

[MuswellMetro]

i use 14kg (30b) buckets and the temp i do is 32c for 24hrs for filtering runny , 52c for 24hr for slurry set OSR, 52c for 36hr/48hrs for solid set OSR and i do not heat honey in jars to extend shelf life but if i did it would be 62c in water for 1hr

you are not getting all the honey to 52c at once it is like heating a frozen meal, it can longer to heat up the frozen meal than cook it

 

[areteta]

Ted Hooper (and others) recommend that crystalised honey should be heated at 130f for two days before bottling. That seems a long long time. Does it really have to be held at that temperature for so long?

The researchers found a significant increase in hydroxymethyl furfuraldehyde (HMF) at just 60 ° C in hot honey samples. In this sense, the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences classified HMF as a “carcinogenic potential”.
so there is a nice quote that says:
"heating honey is killing honey"

 

[Apiarisnt]

From 1964 and oft cited.

 

[WoodenBeam]

The researchers found a significant increase in hydroxymethyl furfuraldehyde (HMF) at just 60 ° C in hot honey samples. In this sense, the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences classified HMF as a “carcinogenic potential”.
so there is a nice quote that says:
"heating honey is killing honey"

All well & good but when you’ve a 30lb bucket of concrete that you want to process into a liquid honey a bit of warmth is required. I think the 130F/55C for 2 days is the compromise of temp v time.
I advise people yes I do warm my honey to process, but stress warm not cook.

 

[user 819]

If mine doesn't liquify at a max 40c after 2 - 3 days having been stirred a few times, it gets jarred as soft set.

 

[oliver90owner]

‘Carcinogenic potential”

What is nice term to use. Potential is one thing, reality is another.

Where does this new member come from? Has this new member simply joined to air a particular agenda?

Is this NIS a 100% recognised authority in all such matters?

Have they checked the content in cakes,etc that contain sgar and are heated while cooking?



Honey is routinely pasteurised, to prevent fermentation, for the commercial honey one buys from all the supermarkets. Pasteurisation takes place at about 85 Celsius, I believe?

I suggest this is a scammer and needs removing from the membership. Mods, please take note.

 

[WoodenBeam]

Quite a harsh reply Oliver90 - maybe a poorly informed newbie open to suggestion from who knows where as opposed to guidance from a beekeeper who actually has some experience in our wonderful pastime/industry.
The heating/treating/handling of Honey can be quite an emotive subject. I always try to approach things with some common sense? Look at honey stores in the hive for example. During a busy hot summer I’d be interested to know what temps are reached in the honey supers?
Warming honey at sub 50c to allow for processing I’m quite happy with. A bucket of set OSR will take 2 days, a later summer liquid honey 1 day.
Sorting some older liquid honey in the jar at 58c in a water bath for an hour turns an unappealing jar into a competition winner……..with no adverse effect on taste in my opinion.
As someone who thoroughly enjoys eating the efforts of my labour i can be my own worse critic and this has lead me to treat Honey as I do. Customers keep coming back so something must be right

 

[Erichalfbee]

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[Erichalfbee]

Quite a harsh reply Oliver90 - maybe a poorly informed newbie open to suggestion from who knows where as opposed to guidance from a beekeeper who actually has some experience in our wonderful pastime/industry.

He’s not and he’s revived a three year old thread
And I’m sure RAB means spammer

 

[thorn]

Ted Hooper (and others) recommend that crystalised honey should be heated at 130f for two days before bottling. That seems a long long time. Does it really have to be held at that temperature for so long?

What's 130f in English?
Ah, as I read on I see someone has done the conversion.

 

[pargyle]

‘Carcinogenic potential”

What is nice term to use. Potential is one thing, reality is another.

Where does this new member come from? Has this new member simply joined to air a particular agenda?

Is this NIS a 100% recognised authority in all such matters?

Have they checked the content in cakes,etc that contain sgar and are heated while cooking?



Honey is routinely pasteurised, to prevent fermentation, for the commercial honey one buys from all the supermarkets. Pasteurisation takes place at about 85 Celsius, I believe?

I suggest this is a scammer and needs removing from the membership. Mods, please take note.

When you look at the actual page .... HMF is about as Carcinogenic as a boiled fruit sweet !

https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestu...d&utm_campaign=ntpgolinks&utm_term=ts-m950006

 

[Newbeeneil]

This is my go to for honey temperatures.
http://www.sheffieldbeekeepers.org.uk/important-temperatures-beekeeping/

 

[elainemary]

This is my go to for honey temperatures.
http://www.sheffieldbeekeepers.org.uk/important-temperatures-beekeeping/

Me too! Want to take my General husbandry assessment next year, will be laminating it and sticking it on my utility wall

 

[oliver90owner]

He’s not and he’s revived a three year old thread
And I’m sure RAB means spammer

Yes, Dani, a spammer. I somehow doubt (s)he will be back - unless to try to stir up the issue or plant a new one. That was my honest (as usual) opinion of that poster. I’m here to be proved wrong, of course, but first impressions do count (and that is all we have to go on ).

 

[Murox]

Carcinogenic just means having the potential to cause cancer doesn't it? What does potential mean? (when not being used in the world of physics) oh yes - having the capacity to develop into something in the future.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

We all have the potential of becoming mass murderers - very few of us will however.