Geographic labelling

[JamezF]

In the "Have your say" section of my slightly damp copy of BBKA News (for December) there's a piece about labelling including the location (Coety in this case, in Wales). It mentions that the local TSO thought that to be called Coety Honey, all the honey must specifically come from Coety. The writer points out that the honey does, even if the nectar used to produce it might not. A lawyer apparently suggested that in order to fairly use the name, even the nectar should have come from within the village boundary.

It seems to me that such an interpretation could lead to quite odd situations where no-one could label honey coming from a geographic area of smaller than perhaps ten square kilometres with that location, which could well be a stretch even if the hives were in the centre of many reasonable size towns. I'm not even sure that Taunton, Somerset's county town, would qualify. And what if your hives were close to a county boundary? Would you have to label them as (say) Hampshire and Wiltshire Honey rather than just with the county where the hives were? There must be some places in the UK where there might be at least four counties within foraging distance of suitably-placed hives. Similarly with country boundaries.

Personally I'd say it was reasonable enough for the hives to be situated in an area that is generally associated with a given geographic location. So for example whilst my nearest town is Wiveliscombe, people often associate the name with an area much larger than the town boundary, typically including the hamlets (often only groups of half a dozen houses) for which Wiveliscombe is the "cultural" centre.

James

 

[Sutty]

I think similarly that the geographic location of the hive is enough. If marketed as "clifftop cottage honey" no-one would expect the bees to be restricted to clifftop cottage's property.
I sell mine with the name of my village.

 

[ericbeaumont]

the local TSO thought that to be called Coety Honey, all the honey must specifically come from Coety.

You'd think they'd have bigger fish to fry.

 

[Erichalfbee]

It mentions that the local TSO thought that to be called Coety Honey, all the honey must specifically come from Coety.

Haven't they got better things to do or are they trying to get rid of an underspend with the least effort?

 

[Newbeeneil]

In the "Have your say" section of my slightly damp copy of BBKA News (for December) there's a piece about labelling including the location (Coety in this case, in Wales). It mentions that the local TSO thought that to be called Coety Honey, all the honey must specifically come from Coety. The writer points out that the honey does, even if the nectar used to produce it might not. A lawyer apparently suggested that in order to fairly use the name, even the nectar should have come from within the village boundary.

It seems to me that such an interpretation could lead to quite odd situations where no-one could label honey coming from a geographic area of smaller than perhaps ten square kilometres with that location, which could well be a stretch even if the hives were in the centre of many reasonable size towns. I'm not even sure that Taunton, Somerset's county town, would qualify. And what if your hives were close to a county boundary? Would you have to label them as (say) Hampshire and Wiltshire Honey rather than just with the county where the hives were? There must be some places in the UK where there might be at least four counties within foraging distance of suitably-placed hives. Similarly with country boundaries.

Personally I'd say it was reasonable enough for the hives to be situated in an area that is generally associated with a given geographic location. So for example whilst my nearest town is Wiveliscombe, people often associate the name with an area much larger than the town boundary, typically including the hamlets (often only groups of half a dozen houses) for which Wiveliscombe is the "cultural" centre.

James

I have one apiary which is within 250m of the junction of 3 counties. Training the bees not to wander across the borders could be difficult!

 

[enrico]

I call mine Somerset Wetlands which is true at the moment but in the summer maybe it should be dry or damplands

 

[Erichalfbee]

Mine is labelled Aeron Valley. I don’t think the bees fly out of it.

 

[Dodge]

My Honey is called Bee90 as I live in the B90 postcode area. My Honey certanly comes from other postcodes. My argument would be it's a play on Joe 90.

Yes, the jars for commercial sale at the Birmingham Honey Show and also the County and Branches has a myriad if Labels with Bee(insert postcode here). Quite amusing i think.

 

[North End Bees]

In the "Have your say" section of my slightly damp copy of BBKA News (for December)

My copy was prettily corrugated too, which has never been the case before.
I appreciate that paper envelopes are eco-friendly but the previous compostable starch wraps were presumably equally eco-friendly.

At least the starch wraps stood up to being delivered in our UK weather, which is usually a bit more than 'slightly damp'!

 

[North End Bees]

As I pressed Post, I realised exactly what JBM's answer to that will be!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

unfortunately the glossy paper they now use isn't very good for wiping your arse

 

[Anduril]

I came across a TSO who was doing a talk in my local association saying that each hive should have separate lot numbers when jarring up, I just found it amusing. Years ago I had a phone call from a TSO in my area asking me how I disposed of honey that I didn't sell.

 

[Newbeeneil]

I came across a TSO who was doing a talk in my local association saying that each hive should have separate lot numbers when jarring up, I just found it amusing. Years ago I had a phone call from a TSO in my area asking me how I disposed of honey that I didn't sell.

I had a TSO who came to inspect who asked me why I didn’t put the ingredients of my honey on the labels!
She seemed non plussed when I told her it was just honey!

 

[fian]

In Galicia you have two options for labeling/marketing:
A. Declare your honey as self-employed with a corporate name similar to those indicated in other comments.
B. Request registration in the Protected Geographical Indication of "Miel de Galicia" in compliance with regulations and inspections.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Declare your honey as self-employed

hmm, sound interesting so who pays their tax and National Insurance?
And who gets the profit?

 

[Penninetrader]

hmm, sound interesting so who pays their tax and National Insurance?
And who gets the profit?

Bees are socialists so it's divi only

 

[Penninetrader]

In the "Have your say" section of my slightly damp copy of BBKA News (for December) there's a piece about labelling including the location (Coety in this case, in Wales). It mentions that the local TSO thought that to be called Coety Honey, all the honey must specifically come from Coety. The writer points out that the honey does, even if the nectar used to produce it might not. A lawyer apparently suggested that in order to fairly use the name, even the nectar should have come from within the village boundary.

It seems to me that such an interpretation could lead to quite odd situations where no-one could label honey coming from a geographic area of smaller than perhaps ten square kilometres with that location, which could well be a stretch even if the hives were in the centre of many reasonable size towns. I'm not even sure that Taunton, Somerset's county town, would qualify. And what if your hives were close to a county boundary? Would you have to label them as (say) Hampshire and Wiltshire Honey rather than just with the county where the hives were? There must be some places in the UK where there might be at least four counties within foraging distance of suitably-placed hives. Similarly with country boundaries.

Personally I'd say it was reasonable enough for the hives to be situated in an area that is generally associated with a given geographic location. So for example whilst my nearest town is Wiveliscombe, people often associate the name with an area much larger than the town boundary, typically including the hamlets (often only groups of half a dozen houses) for which Wiveliscombe is the "cultural" centre.

James

Would not adding "region" suffice ?

 

[JamezF]

Bees are socialists so it's divi only

Surely they'd run a workers' co-operative?

James

 

[Penninetrader]

Surely they'd run a workers' co-operative?

James

That's us lot facing tribunals then. And yes the co op connection did not pass me by. I was born less than half a mile from its 'birthplace, the reasons for which are very ingrained in our make up and upbringing. Gradely folk and social conscience is our DNA as is John Bright in the repeal of the corn laws and many others produced by deprivation of those gradely folk.

 

[fian]

hmm, sound interesting so who pays their tax and National Insurance?
And who gets the profit?

For non-professionals and if beekeeping is a complementary activity:
A. Report income in a box when you file your taxes.
B. Regarding social security, in principle you do not need an additional senior position because the time dedicated does not interfere with your other main work day.
For professionals or if beekeeping is your main activity:
A. Your activity is subject to taxes, therefore you must present income and expense invoices, although if you sell to final consumers you can benefit from a simplified regime with a surcharge (a tax bonus on the expense invoice saves you from presenting invoices to clients, although You must keep sales notes per day).
B. Registration in social security and payment of the fee every month.
C. In the rental declaration, the tax office already calculates the taxes and generally returns the tax (the system already takes care of you paying the taxes).