For those interested in AMM

[SDM]

Let's start again!

“It does mean that we should have good biosecurity with regards to honeybee imports – both to protect the genetic integrity of native populations, and to reduce disease spread.”

Good enough for me.... stop importing any bees... including bumbles to pollinate soft fruit!!

Yeghes da

Why would we possibly need to protect something that's survived 100 years of importation with perfect purity despite zero significant selection by Beekeepers The results of the study are a final proof that no special status is required.

 

[madasafish]

Let's start again!


Good enough for me.... stop importing any bees... including bumbles to pollinate soft fruit!!

Yeghes da

I am all in favour of banning imports. Means the price of an overwintered nuc will double, and early Spring queens which have either been overwintered or bred early will triple...

££££££££££££££££££££££££s signs flash...

Of course, no imported bumbles will mean more imports of soft fruit and veg as UK growers can not compete..but that's a small price to pay for racial purity...

 

[Beefriendly]

How about closing the border now for bio security reasons?
We already have all the sub species here if people want to breed them.
That's a compromise.

Yes and the reason for imports is because we mortal bee keepers can't breed our chosen bees. We are surrounded by hapless mongrel bees. Not all wish to go down the II route and so we purchase quality queens from those who can breed them.

 

[charlievictorbravo]

I am all in favour of banning imports. Means the price of an overwintered nuc will double, and early Spring queens which have either been overwintered or bred early will triple...

££££££££££££££££££££££££s signs flash...

Of course, no imported bumbles will mean more imports of soft fruit and veg as UK growers can not compete..but that's a small price to pay for racial purity...

OR, the companies that export bumbles to the UK from continental Europe will set up a manufacturing facility in the UK and UK-bred honeybee queens will be viable as a business and queen-breeding businesses on a large scale might appear in the UK.

Whether our weather would cooperate in such an enterprise is open to question!

CVB

 

[Finman]

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Are you going to survive with mere fish and chips after EU? Have you enough potato fields there?

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[Finman]

Yes and the reason for imports is because we mortal bee keepers can't breed our chosen bees. We are surrounded by hapless mongrel bees. Not all wish to go down the II route and so we purchase quality queens from those who can breed them.

Your average honey yield 10 kg/ hive will be in danger.
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[B+.]

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Are you going to survive with mere fish and chips after EU? Have you enough potato fields there?

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We grow a lot of cereals here Finman. Luckily, they are wind pollinated because one thing we aren´t short of is hot air.

 

[Beefriendly]

Your average honey yield 10 kg/ hive will be in danger.
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My average honey yield is, shall we say, considerably higher than 10kg per hive. Unfortunately my Amm colonies lower my average.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

We grow a lot of cereals here Finman. Luckily, they are wind pollinated because one thing we aren´t short of is hot air.

as long as we can still import that from finland

 

[Uncle Betty]

I can't agree with someone who would assert their right to choose which bee they kept but deny others theirs. There has to be a compromise.

No, there doesn't have to be.

Factually, there is a plethora of things the UK government doesn't compromise over the import/export of, often despite reasoned objection.

One person's choice in these islands to keep Amm, is not in the same category as someone else's desire to import exotica.

The two things are simply not equivalent, and namby-pamby appeals to 'rights' are not decisive.

 

[Uncle Betty]

Exactly. Feelings which became from tens thousands of stings in nursing Black Devils 1963-1990.

>10,000 / (1990-1963) = Crap handler of bees.

 

[Beefriendly]

One person's choice in these islands to keep Amm, is not in the same category as someone else's desire to import exotica.

The two things are simply not equivalent, and namby-pamby appeals to 'rights' are not decisive.

Here I would strongly disagree, everyone has the same rights to keep whichever bee strain/hybrid they like. To suggest keeping Amm;'s is any different is simply elitist Horse droppings.

 

[B+.]

No, there doesn't have to be.

Factually, there is a plethora of things the UK government doesn't compromise over the import/export of, often despite reasoned objection.

One person's choice in these islands to keep Amm, is not in the same category as someone else's desire to import exotica.

The two things are simply not equivalent, and namby-pamby appeals to 'rights' are not decisive.

We have this little thing called "democracy". You may have heard of it. Although, from your posts I'm not sure you know what it means. Regardless of what anyone says, beekeepers will do what they always do.
If you really want to breed Amm, then, I suggest you buy yourself an II kit and learn to use it. Even the local mongrels will mate with any virgin queens you try to rear. What hope for your pure Amm then?

 

[Uncle Betty]

Here I would strongly disagree, everyone has the same rights to keep whichever bee strain/hybrid they like. To suggest keeping Amm;'s is any different is simply elitist Horse droppings.

We are constantly being told that keeping Amm is different. In a negative way.

Populist horse droppings, etc etc.

 

[Finman]

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>10,000 / (1990-1963) = Crap handler of bees.

Hyper Subjective

 

[Beefriendly]

We are constantly being told that keeping Amm is different. In a negative way.

Time to question what you are being told instead of blindly following a mantra. Keeping Amm is no different to trying to breed any another strain of bees. The same problems exist. II is the method to use to be sure you are breeding true strains. Or isolated mating sites if you can find any.
There are no differences.

 

[madasafish]

No, there doesn't have to be.

Factually, there is a plethora of things the UK government doesn't compromise over the import/export of, often despite reasoned objection.

One person's choice in these islands to keep Amm, is not in the same category as someone else's desire to import exotica.

The two things are simply not equivalent, and namby-pamby appeals to 'rights' are not decisive.

Since when are BUCKFAST bees exotica? After all they were bred in the UK..

If AMM are so great, sell them to beekeepers. Flood the market..After all, if they are so great, we'll all want them.. And UK breeders only need undercut importers on price to win.. and delivery# and performance..

# good luck with UK weather.

 

[Uncle Betty]

We have this little thing called "democracy". You may have heard of it. Although, from your posts I'm not sure you know what it means.

Looks like you get your concept of 'democracy' from PM's questions only.

Lose the petty sniping. Good chap.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

If F*ckblasts were originally bred in the UK, why the need to import?
Or are we saying that UK bred ones are all duff?
Difference between opposing imports and the 'choice' of which variety of bee to keep.
Some people would like to keep pit bull terriers either home bred or imported, but they ain't allowed to thanks to the hankie wringers
Is that wrong?

 

[Uncle Betty]

Time to question what you are being told instead of blindly following a mantra. Keeping Amm is no different to trying to breed any another strain of bees. The same problems exist. II is the method to use to be sure you are breeding true strains. Or isolated mating sites if you can find any.
There are no differences.

Not sure what you mean by blindly following a mantra. I've read a lot and thought a lot.

I'm not trying to turn the clock back.