Evolution

[meetballuk]

maybe it should just be returned to the origonal question of how they evolved as intresting as this has been?
http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/s2008/natrop_coli/classification.htm
breif lay out of the clasification is a good guide for searches to track there evolution.
going step by step would be a very long thead as no one has created a nice simple tree diagram like there is for so many other species

 

[REDWOOD]

Got anything else?
tin hat on waiting for the nuclear full out
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/SciEvidGodLife.htm

 

[oliver90owner]

Ha ha ha ha ha.....

What a load of twaddle.

Purely from the origins in life - they would have been far simpler than any fully organised cellular creatures of today. Only need one lucky reaction to form one chemical that can replicate itself. Of course there would not have been many possible places for this to happen ? No only billions of potential molecular interactions at any billionth of a second but a billion years in which it might happen - just the once. Probability is a fairly useless tool for calculating the probabbility of it happening just the once, three and a half billon years (or so) ago.

Think about that possibility - far more likely than everything being made in six days

I would not be averse to believing that life (as potential chemicals) did not arrive from elsewhere in the universe. But creationism - just for the fringe elements. A bit like natural beekeepers - not a possibility.

 

[Suzi Q]

Got anything else?
tin hat on waiting for the nuclear full out
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/SciEvidGodLife.htm

I'll wait for Joseph to comment on the above! I'm sure he will be able to separate out the half-truths from the b******t.

 

[Suzi Q]

Ha ha ha ha ha.....

What a load of twaddle.

Purely from the origins in life - they would have been far simpler than any fully organised cellulsr creatures of today. Only need one lucky reaction to form one chemical that can replicate itself. Of course there would not have been many possible places for this to happen ? No only billions of potential molecular interactions at any billionth of a second but a billion years in which it might happen - just the once. Probability is a fairly useless tool for calculating the probabbility of it happening just the once, three and a half billon years (or so) ago.

Think about that possibility - far more likely than everything being made in six days

I would not be averse to believing that life (as potential chemicals) did not arrive from elsewhere in the universe. But creationism - just for the fringe elements. A bit like natural beekeepers - not a possibility.

Comets=water?

 

[tonybloke]

Comets=water?

fungal spores can travel through space

 

[Suzi Q]

fungal spores can travel through space

Viruses and extremophile bacteria as well?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

OK, lets turn this round. So far, those of us who don't believe in creation have provided pointers to swathes of proof in favour of evolution.

Swathes of proof! - just theories that's all (as in Darwins theory of evolution)

As for Russel's pisspot - what's that got to do with the price of coal?

Personally I don't need to dig around for proof, I have something better it's called FAITH

It seems to me that the evolutionists seem to be getting more evangelical by the day and like atheism it's turned into a religion of it's own.

There must be someone 'up there' messing around a bit otherwise how do you explain the platypus (a joke on us all surely!!) and bagpipe players

There you go - I said I wasn't going to contribute to this post any more

As I said in my first post - GOD invented evolution.

 

[tonybloke]

Swathes of proof! - just theories that's all (as in Darwins theory of evolution)

As for Russel's pisspot - what's that got to do with the price of coal?

Personally I don't need to dig around for proof, I have something better it's called FAITH

It seems to me that the evolutionists seem to be getting more evangelical by the day and like atheism it's turned into a religion of it's own.

There must be someone 'up there' messing around a bit otherwise how do you explain the platypus (a joke on us all surely!!) and bagpipe players

There you go - I said I wasn't going to contribute to this post any more

As I said in my first post - GOD invented evolution.

sorry you don't undersdtand the principle of scientific theories!

faith? LOL, science flew man to the moon, faith flew them into buildings

why 'must there be' anything 'messing around'?

can't you accept, 'IT JUST IS'

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

can't you accept, 'IT JUST IS'

I have - it's you and your type that can't!

 

[Suzi Q]

Swathes of proof! - just theories that's all (as in Darwins theory of evolution)

As for Russel's pisspot - what's that got to do with the price of coal?

Personally I don't need to dig around for proof, I have something better it's called FAITH

It seems to me that the evolutionists seem to be getting more evangelical by the day and like atheism it's turned into a religion of it's own.

There must be someone 'up there' messing around a bit otherwise how do you explain the platypus (a joke on us all surely!!) and bagpipe players

There you go - I said I wasn't going to contribute to this post any more

As I said in my first post - GOD invented evolution.

Yes, that's the fall-back position, 'god invented evolution' from men (persons?)of faith when confronted by the incontravertable evidence of evolution, and has been since Darwin first published 150 years ago. I don't have a problem with that because I always feel uneasy about trying to persuade someone away from their deeply held belief. We're all human, and as such subject to the laws of evolution, lets hope in a few thousand years mankind won't have the need for a reliance on supernatural beings, I doubt it though.

 

[Joseph]

Got anything else?
tin hat on waiting for the nuclear full out
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/SciEvidGodLife.htm

Redwood, I suppose it is quite pointless to engage in a link trade. Here, http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html

But I have already mentioned the problem of the first replicating life form to say that that has absolutely nothing, nothing whatsoever, to do with evolution. In other words, if God put that first simple form there, or if it spontaneously generated in slow increments over 3.5 billion years to arise as a very very simple form, once it was there, irrespective of how it came to be there, is when evolution can be shown to have started. Evolution as a theory does not attempt to explain abiogenesis. It explains how pre-existing living things are adapted through random mutation and natural selection to give us the diversity of life that ever lived.

 

[Skyhook]

fungal spores can travel through space

Doesn't really answer the question, even if true. Perhaps life did arrive on earth from somewhere else- but that still doesn't explain how it started, wherever that was, or how it evolved to something as advanced as a fungus- quite a long way up the ladder itself.

 

[Anduril]

Science theory state that there are alternative universes with alternative versions of us. We may be discussing this but have the opposite view we hold now. Theoretical science another branch. Shall we have faith that there are alternative versions of us. Anti matter versions of us wouldn't be able to meet us. God has a sense of humour.

 

[REDWOOD]

after more research I found this lol, now I know why Cornish people don't classify themselves as English
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...-are-the-purest-Britons-scientists-claim.html

 

[Anduril]

An atheist once said to me you have to have a strong faith to believe there is no God.

 

[Joseph]

An atheist once said to me you have to have a strong faith to believe there is no God.

Quite right, which is why I have yet to meet an educated atheist who believes there is no God. They tend to believe there is no evidence for one or no compelling reason to believe in one.

 

[Anduril]

after more research I found this lol, now I know why Cornish people don't classify themselves as English
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...-are-the-purest-Britons-scientists-claim.html

Count me out I have Norman ancestry.

 

[Skyhook]

Redwood, I suppose it is quite pointless to engage in a link trade. Here, http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html

But I have already mentioned the problem of the first replicating life form to say that that has absolutely nothing, nothing whatsoever, to do with evolution. In other words, if God put that first simple form there, or if it spontaneously generated in slow increments over 3.5 billion years to arise as a very very simple form, once it was there, irrespective of how it came to be there, is when evolution can be shown to have started. Evolution as a theory does not attempt to explain abiogenesis. It explains how pre-existing living things are adapted through random mutation and natural selection to give us the diversity of life that ever lived.

Interesting link, but a bit heavy after a day at work- I found this a bit more digestible. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg[/ame]

 

[Ely]

Swathes of proof! - just theories that's all (as in Darwins theory of evolution)

As for Russel's pisspot - what's that got to do with the price of coal?

Personally I don't need to dig around for proof, I have something better it's called FAITH

It seems to me that the evolutionists seem to be getting more evangelical by the day and like atheism it's turned into a religion of it's own.

There must be someone 'up there' messing around a bit otherwise how do you explain the platypus (a joke on us all surely!!) and bagpipe players

There you go - I said I wasn't going to contribute to this post any more

As I said in my first post - GOD invented evolution.

Don't mistake the scientific definition of theory to the everyday use of the word.