European Foulbrood Suspected

[GuyNir]

Not sure how I can tell the % of infection?

It wasn’t obvious. The BI said let’s wait for the results. At an apiary 1/2mi away, it was very obvious and he called it on the spot.

I brought nothing into the apiary this year (other than 3 Q’s in cages). So suspecting this is coming from somewhere around me (that apiary 1/2mi away or another). If I destroy colonies and they do nothing...

 

[Heather]

They will not do nothing.. the bee inspector can go uninvited if they don't respond to a request for a visit..

 

[Stiffy]

Not sure how I can tell the % of infection?

It wasn’t obvious. The BI said let’s wait for the results. At an apiary 1/2mi away, it was very obvious and he called it on the spot.

I brought nothing into the apiary this year (other than 3 Q’s in cages). So suspecting this is coming from somewhere around me (that apiary 1/2mi away or another). If I destroy colonies and they do nothing...

Although I can’t be positive but the visits I have had the BI’s have said most cases are very obvious and I would notice if there was anything amiss. I would say and hope that the outbreak you have is mild and would respond to a shook swarm, fingers crossed anyway.
Mine were checked a few weeks ago and given the all clear, thankfully. But, the BI did point out a few patches of brood that had a ‘newish’ disease that they were aware of but had little info or research about. I now keep a very close eye on those hives.
S

 

[Repwoc]

But, the BI did point out a few patches of brood that had a ‘newish’ disease that they were aware of but had little info or research about. I now keep a very close eye on those hives.
S

Do you have any photos of these patches S?

 

[Mint Bee]

Stiffy,

did SBI mentioned refer to is as the 'Danish Pastry virus' that Hoppy described a couple of years ago? Cant see much further discussion on this topic anywhere.

https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=43910&highlight=pastry

 

[Repwoc]

Cant see much further discussion on this topic anywhere.[/url]

There was this previous thread: https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=37387

 

[Stiffy]

Stiffy,

did SBI mentioned refer to is as the 'Danish Pastry virus' that Hoppy described a couple of years ago? Cant see much further discussion on this topic anywhere.

https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=43910&highlight=pastry

No didn’t mention the pastry virus, probably a name made up by floppy but who knows with him and I although I sympathise with him at present, I generally ignore the majority of stuff from his posts.

The BI did mention a couple of theories, one being that it is from a batch of semen as the ‘patch’ is very localised, the other theory is it’s a new virus or one that’s just been noticed . The brood develops as normal but fails shortly before hatching, bees will clear the cells and it doesn’t appear to spread within the hive. Signs are a small generalised patch of raised cells and when uncapped, the larvae has clearly failed. It’s not a problem with most hives or beekeepers but Beefarmers are taking it more seriously as the loss of brood may have an impact on honey production.
I will try and get a few pics when I get a chance.
S

 

[For want of a better word]

Hard line's but well done for spotting it, hopefully you've nipped it in the bud.

Thanks C

Worry is that somebody close by has a colonies infected with EFB that this swarm emerged from.

Destroyed with petrol last night... a horrible death for the bees... a thousand tiny screams... then total silence.
I did not sleep very soundly last night!

As for the "Danish Pastry Virus"... descriptive as the capped cells look like the swirls on a Danish Pastry.... still evident, Giles Budge was informed about it.. but probably too involved with his DFV research.

Chons da

 

[For want of a better word]

No didn’t mention the pastry virus, probably a name made up by floppy but who knows with him and I although I sympathise with him at present, I generally ignore the majority of stuff from his posts.

The BI did mention a couple of theories, one being that it is from a batch of semen as the ‘patch’ is very localised, the other theory is it’s a new virus or one that’s just been noticed . The brood develops as normal but fails shortly before hatching, bees will clear the cells and it doesn’t appear to spread within the hive. Signs are a small generalised patch of raised cells and when uncapped, the larvae has clearly failed. It’s not a problem with most hives or beekeepers but Beefarmers are taking it more seriously as the loss of brood may have an impact on honey production.
I will try and get a few pics when I get a chance.
S

Hivemaker posted images from me a couple of years ago when the more astute Beefarmers among us started to see a new problem.

Yeghes da

 

[Stiffy]

Glad to hear Hivemaker posted the pics, it will save me doing it.
S

 

[For want of a better word]

Glad to hear Hivemaker posted the pics, it will save me doing it.
S

Nice to be on the same page sometimes... see the local carp pond is open again for business... socially isolating of course!

 

[Erichalfbee]

Hivemaker posted images from me a couple of years ago when the more astute Beefarmers among us started to see a new problem.

Yeghes da

Where?
Please
I remember you talking about it

 

[For want of a better word]

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[Erichalfbee]

I managed to navigate your instructions finally.
Thanks

 

[For want of a better word]

I managed to navigate your instructions finally.
Thanks
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Well done!

Now let us all be on the look out or EFB.... particularly around Kit Hill in East Cornwall.... a beekeeper somewhere has lost a blue marked queen with a swarm infected with EFB.. just hope the SBI finds them and deals with the situation in the time honoured way ( DESTRUCTION!!!)

Yeghes da

 

[GuyNir]

Shook swarms

Did a couple of shook swarms today, as well as making more frames and scrubbing more equipment for tomorrow’s shook swarm. Lots of frames to burn now.
Leaving them without feed for 1-2 days, hoping they’ll metabolise what they carry within.
Was cloudy and damp, bees were not impressed.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Did a couple of shook swarms today, as well as making more frames and scrubbing more equipment for tomorrow’s shook swarm. Lots of frames to burn now.
Leaving them without feed for 1-2 days, hoping they’ll metabolise what they carry within.
Was cloudy and damp, bees were not impressed.

Guy feed them they have a lot of comb to build.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Guy feed them they have a lot of comb to build.

The more they build before the queen starts laying again, the more the spores get locked in to the wax rather than infecting brood. As it's a disease that's spread on the mandibles of nurse bees, the transfer of the syrup should also help with 'oral hygiene'

 

[ericbeaumont]

Not sure how I can tell the % of infection?

That's a job for the SBI, Guy. They'll go through a colony, estimate the infection and recommend a course of action.

 

[GuyNir]

Thanks Dani and JBM, just did.