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Has anyone tried using 2 Jumbo Langstroth boxes, one for the brood and one as a super? Other than the obvious drawbacks of heavy and extraction problems, is there anything else to consider?
 
Has anyone tried using 2 Jumbo Langstroth boxes, one for the brood and one as a super? Other than the obvious drawbacks of heavy and extraction problems, is there anything else to consider?
If you want to use that big a box as a super you could try a Flow 😉
 
Has anyone tried using 2 Jumbo Langstroth boxes, one for the brood and one as a super? Other than the obvious drawbacks of heavy and extraction problems, is there anything else to consider?


I used two Jumbo Brood boxes for Queen Rearing. Both ended up 10 frames full of brood in each.
(summer 2018)
For reasons which will become obvious ,I now use 6 or 5 frame jumbo nucs x2,

Each box is some 30cms deep and when full of bees, brood and couple of frames of honey weighs approx 35kg each.
Add a hive stand say 25-30cms high and you are looking at a combination including floor and CB approx 1.25meters off the ground and weighing around 80kg.

Lifting one brood box at 35kg from over waist height requires a fair bit of strength, a strong back and another stand to place it on. You do NOT want to pick it off the ground.

You will need to lift the top box off weekly to do inspections Spring/summer.
I used to do competitive weightlifting when much younger. I found i the upper box was very heavy, unwieldy and required steel capped boots for safety. If you have never lifted such weights and /or have a weak back, forget it.

As for the bees filling one as a super.. well can you lift more? Approx 40KG? Will the bees fill one? An awful lot of empty space in Spring . Two shallow supers are much easier to handle full or empty and you can start with one in Spring and add.

Finally - nearly - Jumbo brood boxes = lots of bees. I regularly run 4 to 6 shallow supers on my best colonies. That equates to three brood supers. Even with ladders I struggle over 4 shallow supers. Two brood supers would be horrendous getting the top one off safely perched on a ladder and twisting as you descend to avoid hitting the ladder with the brood box would be a nightmare. A health and safety nightmare.

Surprise conclusion: not practical unless you are very strong and fit. And you would probably dread moving the top one.
 
I used two Jumbo Brood boxes for Queen Rearing. Both ended up 10 frames full of brood in each.
(summer 2018)

Each box is some 30cms deep and when full of bees, brood and couple of frames of honey weighs approx 35kg each.
Add a hive stand say 25-30cms high and you are looking at a combination including floor and CB approx 1.25meters off the ground and weighing around 80kg.

Lifting one brood box at 35kg from over waist height requires a fair bit of strength, a strong back and another stand to place it on. You do NOT want to pick it off the ground.

You will need to lift the top box off weekly to do inspections Spring/summer.
I used to do competitive weightlifting when much younger. I found i the upper box was very heavy, unwieldy and required steel capped boots for safety. If you have never lifted such weights and /or have a weak back, forget it.

As for the bees filling one as a super.. well can you lift more? Approx 40KG? Will the bees fill one? An awful lot of empty space in Spring . Two shallow supers are much easier to handle full or empty and you can start with one in Spring and add.

Finally - nearly - Jumbo brood boxes = lots of bees. I regularly run 4 to 6 shallow supers on my best colonies. That equates to three brood supers. Even with ladders I struggle over 4 shallow supers. Two brood supers would be horrendous getting the top one off safely perched on a ladder and twisting as you descend to avoid hitting the ladder with the brood box would be a nightmare. A health and safety nightmare.

Surprise conclusion: not practical unless you are very strong and fit. And you would probably dread moving the top one.
Thanks for the detailed response. I am not concerned with the weight as much, I am 6ft 5 and work on an oil rig so am used to heavy manual labour. I do take your point though , I plan to use poly hives to bring the weight down a bit but as you say still heavy. I will try one for an experiment. If not I spose can use the brood box and throw on a couple mediums worse comes to worse.
 
Thanks for the detailed response. I am not concerned with the weight as much, I am 6ft 5 and work on an oil rig so am used to heavy manual labour. I do take your point though , I plan to use poly hives to bring the weight down a bit but as you say still heavy. I will try one for an experiment. If not I spose can use the brood box and throw on a couple mediums worse comes to worse.
Your oil rig duties may not be conducive to keeping bees. Beekeeping is time critical unless you and any neighbours can cope with swarms.☹️
 
Your oil rig duties may not be conducive to keeping bees. Beekeeping is time critical unless you and any neighbours can cope with swarms.☹
Ah its ok for that , no real neighbours to worry about , just will be my loss.So far I manage things pretty well , i find that the time away actually prevents me from being over eager and messing with them all too much.
 
Your oil rig duties may not be conducive to keeping bees. Beekeeping is time critical unless you and any neighbours can cope with swarms.☹
I managed pretty well for years working two weeks on two off on the boats
 
Good luck. However it seems you are not considering the space issue. That is a lot of empty space to bung on in one go.


If you do go down the brood box as super :
Put 5 frames in the centre of the box and dummy down the gaps on each side with insulation (I use 50mm thick kingspan/celotex attached to a topboard ) for an initial super and then remove insulation and replace with frames as needed.

If you are 6' 5", - I am 5' 9" - and built like a heavy weight boxer- my concerns over weight are irrelevant.

Poly-Hive - who used to post here and has a website somewhere - was an oil worker and coped with the work schedule and beekeeping. His website appears dead.
 
If you do go down the brood box as super :
Put 5 frames in the centre of the box and dummy down the gaps on each side with insulation (I use 50mm thick kingspan/celotex attached to a topboard ) for an initial super and then remove insulation and replace with frames as needed.

If you are 6' 5", - I am 5' 9" - and built like a heavy weight boxer- my concerns over weight are irrelevant.

Poly-Hive - who used to post here and has a website somewhere - was an oil worker and coped with the work schedule and beekeeping. His website appears dead.
Thanks for the info , that's a really good idea!
 
I managed pretty well for years working two weeks on two off on the boats
I remember when you were doing that and sharing your beeking with Redwood.
Then you did a week with a commercial outfit. Who was that with you? I know somebody else here from the forum shared the experience.
 
I remember when you were doing that and sharing your beeking with Redwood.
Then you did a week with a commercial outfit. Who was that with you? I know somebody else here from the forum shared the experience.
Redwood looked after the bees for me when I went out to Lesotho for three months.
It was Chris B's outfit we spent a week on - great experience with Pete D and Brian Saunders (forget his forum handle), although he hasn't been around here for a while, Brian used to spend the summer over here (He ended up with a 200 hive outfit in Essex IIRC) and the winter on his mahoosive luxury catamaran 'Blue Monsoon' which he chartered out to the rich and famous (Pierce Brosnan, Jagger and a few others) he also had a walk in part on Pirates of the Carribean and 'speed 1'
 
Considering the insulation issue, I have a Jumbo langstroth poly nuc unused from modern beekeeping, wonder if its worth using this as a hive with a few more of the same boxes on top. I think it is 6 frame. Would make splits and expansion a doss and keep that insulation level right up there!
 
Considering the insulation issue, I have a Jumbo langstroth poly nuc unused from modern beekeeping, wonder if its worth using this as a hive with a few more of the same boxes on top. I think it is 6 frame. Would make splits and expansion a doss and keep that insulation level right up there!
I overwintered bees in a double Payne’s 14x12 nuc. They did very well.
 

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