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Ok. Thanks :)

The experiment has concluded.

Here is the photo. The beeswax is fresh cappings wax from leatherwood and manuka honey from the forest. It's probably amongst the finest wax in the world.

Only two of the blocks in the photo have been heated to 150c in my newish fan forced electric oven for 30 minutes (which time started only once they were melted). The other blocks were more gently heated, on an earlier day, at below 85c.

Which ones are the
The two on the right top and bottom
 
I don't buy foundation, but if I did I'd be looking for something that said it was sterilised. Something like this https://beekeeping.co.uk/pages/sterilised-wax-foundation
I have some of that and would not like to use it for cut comb, not because its provenance is in doubt, but because it is at least twice as thick as necessary.

Mean to contact NBS and ask why, given the potential, has the material been used so wastefully as to make it unsuitable for purpose.
 
Ok. Thanks :)

The experiment has concluded.

Here is the photo. The beeswax is fresh cappings wax from leatherwood and manuka honey from the forest. It's probably amongst the finest wax in the world.

Only two of the blocks in the photo have been heated to 150c in my newish fan forced electric oven for 30 minutes (which time started only once they were melted). The other blocks were more gently heated, on an earlier day, at below 85c.

Which ones are the two highly heated blocks?
On the far right - top and bottom block. I am only saying this as they look a shade darker.
 
Ok. Thanks :)

The experiment has concluded.

Here is the photo. The beeswax is fresh cappings wax from leatherwood and manuka honey from the forest. It's probably amongst the finest wax in the world.

Only two of the blocks in the photo have been heated to 150c in my newish fan forced electric oven for 30 minutes (which time started only once they were melted). The other blocks were more gently heated, on an earlier day, at below 85c.

Which ones are the two highly heated blocks?
Interesting.

2 comments; Firstly, the lovely capping you had in the first place don't reflect the quality of wax exchanged in the UK (by observations and the fact that anyone making candles is going to use capping for that); Secondly, with scale up the time of exposure to >100C is going to significant longer getting to 150C as the thermal transfer wont replicate small volumes
 
Interesting.

2 comments; Firstly, the lovely capping you had in the first place don't reflect the quality of wax exchanged in the UK (by observations and the fact that anyone making candles is going to use capping for that); Secondly, with scale up the time of exposure to >100C is going to significant longer getting to 150C as the thermal transfer wont replicate small volumes
Yes.
It was giving off a fair bit of vapour as it sat on the bench before going into the mold! Would have deep fried a chip.
This photo shows another comparison. Hopefully it's much easier to see the difference in this photo. The stuff that looks like an old bicycle seat is actually some beeswax from my wax dipping vat (heated multiple times with lots of bits of dead bees and propolis in it - some boxes dipped for the second time). I'd call that a darker style wax. The wax next to it is the original cappings wax.
 

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Some of that wax could be from cheap foundation that has been drawn out in the first place from who knows where. I can't see how you can sell premium wax when you don't really know the source
 
I was contacted by Thornes who were understandably interested in heading off this discussion. As pointed out above, it appears that the usual "standard" wax is indeed from China and I have used this often enough to know that it works well and doesn't seem to have any negative impact on the bees, and I am sure there are folk here who have had the same experience. The wax I was concerned about, the "premier" darker sheets that I got in exchange, they say is made from wax from the UK, Ireland and Africa: apparently the latter is from hives in areas where there is very little (if any) pesticide use or polluting industries. There was also an emphasis on how it's only heated gently. I'm happy to take them at their word, especially when it was pointed out that the bees love this wax. Being a parsimonious beekeeper (like everyone else) I'll use this wax and am interested in seeing how the bees respond. Thornes were too and asked to be informed about the success of this wax.

Just in comparison, I have seen Donegal Bees production of wax: it's heated to 150C during the cleaning process, and then pushed through the rollers to produce the wax. The heat doesn't appear to cause any problems with the wax and the bees are happy to work it and it smells gorgeous, although I hasten to point out that since I'm not a bee, that's probably irrelevant. So Thornes not heating the wax isn't really something I would consider particularly important.

So, as far as I'm concerned, this wax will be used in my Spring Demarees, and I'll know fairly soon how good it is in practice.
Just an update on this saga about the dark wax. Well the bees loved it and drew it out quickly. It may have been darker than usual, but it definitely works very well. So I'm very happy and withdraw any misgivings I may have had.
 
I know that it isn't practical for everyone but I make my own foundation and I at least know where it comes from and what medication the bees have had (if any) and so what might be in the wax.
 
I know that it isn't practical for everyone but I make my own foundation and I at least know where it comes from and what medication the bees have had (if any) and so what might be in the wax.

Are you pressing it in a silicone mould, or using a roller, or something else?

James
 
I'm looking at ordering some foundation for this year. Does the quality of said foundation matter?

What's the following foundation like from:
Abelo
Simon the beekeeper
Thones

Should I pay more for my foundation? Do the bees care? Are there any other recommendations?

Thick foundations. Like in Finland our foundations are 100 g/ langstroh sheet.
Bee use foundation wax to draw 50% out of cell walls.
 

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