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I found this on a FB group.

there is a lot of research available of the detrimental effects of excessive sugar feeding.

anyone?

PH
 
I found this on a FB group.

there is a lot of research available of the detrimental effects of excessive sugar feeding.

anyone?

PH
Supposedly there's German research showing the beneficial effects of sugar feeding over honey but have never seen it
 
I found this on a FB group.

there is a lot of research available of the detrimental effects of excessive sugar feeding.

anyone?

PH

No, I've not seen such research. Is it the fact that it is sugar or the fact that it is excessive that is the problem? I have a research paper showing that if you are feeding them anything for winter (assuming honey stores are insufficient), sucrose is best. Nothing on excessive feeding though.
 
I am sure I saw some years ago showing sugar was better in particularly cold temps as there is less by product/pollen to process in the bees gut therefore less poop
 
I found this on a FB group.

there is a lot of research available of the detrimental effects of excessive sugar feeding.

anyone?

PH

How exessive sugar feeding happens?
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You will have too much sugar combs before summer if you feed too much.
If you keep them in the hives it becomes soon honey.
 
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I am sure I saw some years ago showing sugar was better in particularly cold temps as there is less by product/pollen to process in the bees gut therefore less poop

It is not. . First of all the last emerged workers need pollen, that they can survive over winter. So the hive needs pollen frames in the hive, before they start to overwinter eith sugar.
If the colony is small, it must eate more per a bee to produce enough heat.
Then bees gut will be filled sooner, and bees come out too early for cleansing flight and loose much bees from colony.

Nyt there is no reason to give honey to the hives as winter Food.
 
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Yes Ian, Mobus used to say that bees wintering on heather were more prone to dysentery.

PH
 
There's an Egyptian study that makes cold weather survival in favour of honey by 1 day over syrup

Here's one in favour of honey over syrup. There's quite a library if you go looking
Diet-dependent gene expression in honey bees: honey vs. sucrose or high fructose corn syrup
 
There's an Egyptian study that makes cold weather survival in favour of honey by 1 day over syrup

Here's one in favour of honey over syrup. There's quite a library if you go looking
Diet-dependent gene expression in honey bees: honey vs. sucrose or high fructose corn syrup

How do you get honey, if you let the bees eate it?

To me to feed one hive for winter is £ 10 / hive. One kilo honey.
 
How do you get honey, if you let the bees eate it?

To me to feed one hive for winter is £ 10 / hive. One kilo honey.

I guess like all things, it's a balance. There's ways and means of levelling the playing field too. Feeding allows nosema prevention by adding thymol and the effects of vit C added to winter feed , pretty much negate any downside of sugar syrup imo.


http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/jas/article/download/0/0/38053/38535

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.3896/IBRA.1.51.3.07
 
Effects of Feeding Honey Bees (Hymenoptera: Apidae) With Industrial Sugars Produced by Plants Using Different Photosynthetic Cycles (Carbon C3 and C4) on the Colony Wintering Ability, Lifespan, and Forage Behavior


Abstract
In the study, 130 honey bee colonies fed with different levels (5, 20, and 100 liters/colony) of various industrial commercial sugars, including High-Fructose Corn 85 (Fructose-85), High-Fructose Corn 55 (Fructose-55), Glucose Monohydrate (Glucose), Bee feed, and Sucrose syrups, for 2 mo were compared with colonies fed with no sugar (control) in terms of their colony development of worker bee population, hive weight, wax production, wintering ability, foraging behavior, and lifespan of worker bee. Utilization of industrial sugars by honey bee colonies showed differences in terms of colony performance and behavior parameters. Honey bees did not use Glucose heavily, resulting in 4% increase in worker bee loss in winter and 46% decrease in marked worker bee numbers over time when compared to the control. Sucrose syrup had a positive effect on wintering ability, wax production, and hive weight. While Sucrose had a positive effect (3–4%) on wintering ability, the 100 liters/colony sugar syrups of all other sugars had negative effects (6–15%). Sugars containing high levels of monosaccharide were not used effectively by honey bee colonies, whereas the sugars containing fructose and glucose at rates of 40 and 30% (Bee feed and Fructose-55), were utilized effectively. The lifespan of worker bees decreased over time in the 100 liters/colony of all sugars syrup. In conclusion, except Glucose, other industrial sugars can be used for promoting colonies at the beginning of the season (in spring). Industrial sugars except sucrose should not be used in order to meet carbohydrate needs of the colonies in winter.
 
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And in what place that happened.? What kind of winter the place has?


Reality is that bees over winter , and then the bees die very soon when new bees start to emerge in Spring.

There are so much experience about wintering with sugar, what kind of information is needed more?

I have not used thymol or C vitamin n wintering syrup. They are not needed.
What is ne edes is plenty of pollen when winter bees are reared.

And no wintering without varroa effects.
 
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The only research I know of, is that it reduces a bees lifespan by a few days.
This can have quite an effect if heavy feeding is done late in the fall. The bees that handle the syrup are shorter lived than they would otherwise have been. This can result in a hive that dwindles dramatically in early spring. I've had better results feeding a gallon or two of syrup in the fall and then feed more in early spring when the bees are brooding up. Brother Adam wrote about this in his book on beekeeping.
 

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