deformed wings

[jimmybee]

whats the best thing for it?

 

[m100]

varroa

 

[jimmybee]

yes thanks, found a good thread. sorry for a wasted post!.

 

[huntsman666]

Most likely Acarine, caused by Apis woodi. Not a lot you can do but Thymol crystals may help. There's a german frame very useful for applying such, available from Thornes, crystals as well.

 

[MuswellMetro]

Most likely Acarine, caused by Apis woodi. Not a lot you can do but Thymol crystals may help. There's a german frame very useful for applying such, available from Th**nes, crystals as well.

well having spent all day with a FERA regional bee inspector looking thru 50 hives for Deformed wing Virus and shown by him how to find it in varroa infected sealed brood

Then help plot the incident of wing deformity to varroa drop,

so i think you are total wrong and misinformed, where is your information from!!!

K wing does not deform the wing just distort the wing hinge , this was a query about wing deformity

Varroa spreads DWV and Acrarine spread K Wing two totaly different wing problems, deformed=Varro DWV, twisted=K wing

DWV get rid of varroa with thymol or Apivar

if K Wing then get rid of Acrarine with Grease patties ( the grease affected the acarine in the tubes) thymol does have a limited if in thymol patties or apiguard the carrier is the grease not the vapour from a thymol frame

Think you had better read up about Deform wing virus on the FERA site when we publish it

 

[gavin]

I don't know what Huntsman is on today but the association between high Varroa levels and Dwarf Wing Virus is very close. However you need to get on top of it within the next month, and properly, otherwise the virus lingers overwinter. Apiguard or some other thymol treatment should do it, 'light' treatments are really risky.

http://www.ibra.org.uk/articles/Varroa-destructor-treatment-and-deformed-wing-virus

G.

 

[jimmybee]

Thank you all for the information very helpful.

 

[huntsman666]

<so i think you are total wrong and misinformed, where is your information from!!! >

J.D. & B.D Yates. How about telling them they are wrong?

You too Gavin but hold back on the insults.

 

[huntsman666]

I tried to edit that last post but time passed the limit.

I wanted to say that I was talking about 'K' wing for I unfortunately assumed that to be the problem.

Had it been 'K' wing, then nothing wrong with what I suggested.

 

[m100]

J.D. & B.D Yates. How about telling them they are wrong?

While their books are in the whole useful, they are packed full of errors, many you only discover by chance after a long time. It would take an hour or more to partially correct the book using the errata listed in the inside back cover.

It's now 15 years since publication, nearly 12 years since the last errata were issued, and understanding of all things have moved on in the bee world so even if it were 100% correct at publication it probably wouldn't be now.

There is also a total lack of references in the book, so you can't even find out what the source for some of their statements is.

 

[Hebeegeebee]

MM, Interestingly enough the regional bee inspector had a look at my hives in the Spring and we talked about K wing. He said that he doesn't see Acarine now; since Thymol has been used so he said.

Yes, Yates needs an update!

 

[MuswellMetro]

<so i think you are total wrong and misinformed, where is your information from!!! >

j.d. & b.d yates. How about telling them they are wrong?

You too gavin but hold back on the insults.

ok, i have several books by yates

AND I HAVE LOOKED THROUGH ALL OF THEM as i am off work with a bad back

nowhere can i find a reference by yates in any of their books i have to a use of thymol crystal in frames for the control of acarine

now there may be a book i haven not got but i have seven and i would be please to see what they say on the use of thymol crystal for the control of acarine becasue all the book i have are consistent except bbka study notes module 1,2,3&4 (1996) which is out of date as the methods and treatment are now banned in the EU

could you tell me the reference book by yates you are refering to? and if possible the page number,as iam interest in their veiws

 

[Haughton Honey]

Erm.....what's 'Dwarf Wing Virus'?

Don't you mean Deformed Wing Virus?

It's varroa, plain and simple. Your Autumn thymol-based treatment should keep it in check.

 

[MuswellMetro]

MM, Interestingly enough the regional bee inspector had a look at my hives in the Spring and we talked about K wing. He said that he doesn't see Acarine now; since Thymol has been used so he said.

Yes, Yates needs an update!

had a similar conversation some time ago with our SBI on acarine as it appears to have died out with the widespread use of apiguard as a varroa treatment

that's why i was interested in huntsman's reference in a previous post to yates and use of thymol frames, , just like to take if further as to whether it is the grease, thymol crystals or both that is effective but cannot find reference to huntsmann66 statement in yates books i have to hand ,or did it just die out with the use of Apistan

The use of thymol frames huntsman said came from yates but it is not in the beekeeping study notes BBKA study notes 2010 orange or 1991 green book (though the green book doesn't even mention thymol as a varroa treatment, pre 1992 varroa arrival i assume)

i have the 2001 purple book but only scan read it as not reached that level yet but does not seem to be in there either..........can anyone trace huntsman reference by yates to use of thymol crystal frames for treatment of acarine