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E1M

House Bee
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Location
Wisbech
Hive Type
National
Number of Hives
6


My wife and myself are embarking upon BEEKEEPING as a hobby.
I have scoured the internet and am getting confused by all the different sites for hives, which we wish to buy.

Cedar obviously seems the best, but I wish there were somewhere to go as veiw these items. Unfortunately there are no "local stores". Any ideas which is the best method to research and buy a hive?

Thanks

Iain
 
Find your local beekeeping group, make contact with them and seek their advice. They will almost certainly have an apiary which you could have a look at.

You will anyway find your local group invaluable, since you would be very well advised to attend a course (most groups can point you in the right direction for these) and you will certainly require advice in the early (and in my own case later!) days of your new hobby.
 
:iagree:
also if you are about to start a course then sit tight and see what your tutor may advise. on here you will find all sort of hives. Personally i like nationals however others prefer other options, What sort of thing are you looking for.

Red cedar is great, i only have pine Th**nes hives or similar but they have lasted the first 3 years fine and so long as you look after them i think they are fine.
 
Have you been in touch with your local BKA? Seeing the association hives or other members hives is a good start so you can compare any new ones with something you have seen and hopefully experienced moving the parts around. Local associations are often the place where local information or second hand items are known about. Sometimes there is a local Thornes agent who may carry some stock.

I am not sure how much research you have done - for example the weight of the hive when it has bees and honey in place is much more than the weight of the empty hive and sometimes, though you may think it is the look of the hive that is most important, you start to realise that practical aspects of the hive can become far more important. As time goes on, consistency with other beekeepers locally may also gain importance.

There is a Honey Show in Surrey (National Honey Show) in October and there are suppliers with stands there - I think that would be about 120 miles or so - or Wragby is one of Thornes depots and I think that might be about 50 miles away from you if you want to see some suppliers.

But I think the local BKA is always a good first stop.

Tricia
 
Don is a true gent, lovely to talk to, and gives sound advise. His queens are also lovely!!
rgds, Tony
 
Get some practical help and advice from your local association. You will be lucky to get bees before May, and you can knock up a flat pack hive in a day. Most associations run courses over winter or in new year- well worth it. You will then have some idea of what you are doing, and be able to get off to a flying start.

Perhaps main factor to consider is what type of hive the majority have in your area, as they can be a good cheap source of your first bees.

Reed books over the winter too, and keep reading this forum.

Enjoy your new hobby.

Your profile says you already have National hives?
 
Welcome :)
I would have thought the where was perhaps more of a headache than the what because unless lots has changed the use of chemicals around Wisbech on crops would be of concern.

My youngest three were born in Upwell (we moved away in 02) and we lived in the middle of farm land. In the summer there were areas devoid of flying insects...the butterflies very obvious by their absence....where farmers had stuffed on yet another spray.

Whatever, make sure you are on the local spray register. Bees fly maybe 2 or 3 miles radius of the apiary. Spray poisoning can be heartbreaking.
 
Whats the local spray register is it across the uk? or just areas where the really nasty sprays are used?
 
There is an echo in here.
Join your local group, talk to the nice people about what they've got - and why they chose (if they really did choose) that style.
And go on a course - but don't expect it to go into any detail, especially about 'recent' trends like foamed plastic hives and those "odd" top bar hives.

And there's no rush to buy anything now. In fact, wintertime seems to be bargain sale-time.

FWIW, standard British Standard National would seem the middle of the UK hobby beekeeper mainstream, and thus the easiest to sell if/when you decide you want something that would be in specific ways 'better' for you.
Red cedar is the low-maintenance material gold standard, with white cedar close behind. Pine is cheaper. Ply is cheaper still, but heavier. Plastic is cheap, pretty tough and (its principal virtue) it offers much better thermal insulation.
Insulation matters. It affects how much stores a colony needs to get through the winter. Which impacts how much sugar you need to buy, mix and feed. And it also affects how much honey you can take from the bees.

A Green Woodpecker will go through cedar just as easily as it could go through plastic.
Plastic has been used for 20 years in Europe, where the winter is even harsher than the Fens. But its "new" here, or so people think/say.

Apart from insulation (and the nagging question of whether its Brood Box is big enough for winter stores without a midwinter feed or two), the ordinary National BB ain't big enough for modern prolific bees. The colony won't fit in the house and promptly swarms. People get round that by running brood-and-a-half or double-brood. Twice as many frames to inspect, and a BB that might contain the Queen to demount, on every inspection.
The way round that is to use a taller BB with deeper 14x12 inch frames. Exactly like a National BB, except that its taller, and thus can house lots more bees.
But its hard to get your starter nucleus on those frames ... and you are not spoilt for choice if you are looking for plastic 14x12 BBs (though that should change over this winter). But everything else is absolutely standard National.

Thus, I'd suggest that you start with a National, in some sort of cedar, which you'll be able to sell on easily if you don't like it (or bees). A plastic national makes more sense, but would likely not sell so easily!
And you may even be able to buy a used National through your local club.
You then have the option of doing things the way they have been done for years, or saying "Hey, I'm (we are) not committed by mind-set and inventory, so I/we can choose whatever seems most sensible to me/us, for me/us and the type of bees I/we want to keep." Which may not be the most sensible for others or their bees.

And you'll soon realise that you really need more than one (compatible) hive, and a pile of compatible bits on standby... (or maybe a pretty WBC, or a top bar hive, with a window...)

You now owe me 2 cents.
 
...and there are plenty of friendly beekeepers across the border in Norfolk who don't mind giving help and advice to some fen folk :)
 
:iagree:
Join your local Beeekeeping Association. They (usually) are really good. We could not have got through our first year if we did not have their support.

The amount of times I have phoned people at home when we have had problems and needed advice, its well worth the membership fees.

Also about the type, if you do decide to go for cedar nationals, you have couple of choices.
1. Buy a really good top of the range hive
or
2. You can buy from Th**nes Bees on a budget selection online
or
3. wait till the sales in winter.

The bees on a budget hives are cheaper but they do come with knots in different places and they are flat packed, so you need to be handy with a hammer and they are seconds.
 
If you have some spare time you are only about an hour and a half away from Thornes HQ. Its worth a trip to look around even if you are not intending to buy.
 
Find your local beekeeping group, make contact with them and seek their advice. They will almost certainly have an apiary which you could have a look at.

You will anyway find your local group invaluable, since you would be very well advised to attend a course (most groups can point you in the right direction for these) and you will certainly require advice in the early (and in my own case later!) days of your new hobby.

:iagree:

Your local division will almost certainly run its own course in spring, give you access to bulk purchase hives and equipment and provide you with or sell you bees at a discount.

And in the meantime, you can attend the monthly meetings to learn more about your new hobby before you start in earnerst in 2012.
 
Hi Iain,
I live about 10 miles from you if I guessed correctly that you are in Elm just outside Wisbech. I am a first year beginner and a member of King's Lynn BKA who are currently advertising their winter course on their website. I personally couldnt get on it last year but did manage to get on the Peterborough BKA course.
I have Nationals, some with std brood and some on 14 x 12, some Cedar and some ply. I also just aquired 8 14 x 12 Nuc boxes, 5 empty and 3 with bees.
My first bees came from West Walton (half way between you and me).
If you want to chat or visit my apiary give me a PM and I will give you my number. I will be doing hive inspections and removing Varroa treatments this weekend.
regards
Pete D
 
Pete D you are clearly a star.

His other half (unless I am much mistaken), Lindylou, states in her parallel thread ("First Hive") that she is starting on a course. Perhaps E1m is too.
Maybe the threads (if not their keyboards) should be merged?
 

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