Brother adams hive

[Finman]

.
More Romanian beekeeping system
http://thebeephotographer.photoshel...emian-Honey/G0000W1X6iwzxnlM/I0000qZEFSVoUUns

 

[Finman]

.
Report from Romanian beekeeping http://www.scienceknowledge.org/2010/08/02/the-situation-of-beekeeping-in-romania/

 

[Finman]

apicultura în România

"Our Monastery uses modern beekeeping equipment purchased from companies:"

http://www.turnu.ro/apicultura1.htm

 

[Norton]

Here is a scan of a photograph in Raymond Zimmer's "Die Buckfast - Biene. Fragen and Antworten." Unfortunately only available in German and French. It shows the 12 frames of a Dadant hive, presumably he photographed it because it was a good example of the hives in May on the OSR flow. Note that if you carefully estimate the amount of brood that you come up with a figure close to the total brood area of 5 Langstroth combs, the amount quoted by researchers who have done studies in the USA - Farrar, Taber, Hale, Conner....... etc etc.
Some of the work was done to develop the Dadant company's Starline and involved selection from 20,000 hives.
Best regards
Norton

 

[wightbees]

wheres the scan bit ???

 

[RoofTops]

Norton, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you. Although I can't see the scan I am assuming the bees are on more than 5 frames. Which is the point some of us were making. Sometimes, in my experience, they also need more than the 10 in a normal Langstroth. Squashed up they would perhaps fit on 5 complete frames, but I like to give my bees more room.

 

[Norton]

Problems with computer - supposed to be still uploading it!

 

[Norton]

Did not scan very well - best I can do.
Norton

 

[Scutellator]

Hello Donnie,
These hyper-prolific queens are the ones that are available now or are they the ones that were around 10 years ago. You have mentioned before that the native bee used to produce massive populations. The photographs are very interesting - thanks for attaching them to you posts.
Best regards
Norton.

Hi Norton,
The studies are very recent. I must poit out again that the queens usually lay bellow their potential. In Bulgaria nowadays they are easily accommodated in 10 frame Dadant hive.

A wide spread myth holds that according to aerodynamics, the bumble bees shoud not to be able to fly. Yet, they can fly.

Regards
Donnie

 

[Finman]

.
I did not find pictures of Bulgaria beekeeping, not even with Bulgaria zig zag writing.

 

[Norton]

The studies are very recent. I must point out again that the queens usually lay bellow their potential. In Bulgaria nowadays they are easily accommodated in 10 frame Dadant hive.

Hi Donnie,
So, what you are trying to put across is that queens were confined in a excluder cage with an empty frame and laid 3,600 eggs in 24 hours but this doesn't happen in a normal hive because as we all know the rate/amount of egg laying is determined by the season, race, the amount of food being fed to the queen, number of cells available, incoming supplies etc etc. and that the normal maximum number of eggs laid in 24 hours would be about 1,800?
Cell size also has to be considered. A Langstroth brood frame with 5,4 has about 6,500 cells, if the cell size is 5,1 the number of cells goes up to around 7,000. In the USA 5,1 is normally used whilst in Europe 5,4 or larger is the norm.
Best regards
Norton.

 

[Scutellator]

.
I did not find pictures of Bulgaria beekeeping, not even with Bulgaria zig zag writing.

I like the expresion "zig zag writing", it made me laugh.

"Ask and will be given to you"

Bulgarian beebreeding asociation
http://www.nrap-bg.org/main.php

A beekeeper. He runs over 700 hives. The flora (honeyflow) in his region is not very rich, rocky soil.
http://www.apibor.org/?cnt=5

A hobbyist beekeeper. 50+ hives. He is in one of the best regions for beekeeping in Bulgaria. Lots of photos. Click on forward (next) button at the bottom of the page for more pictures.
http://buci59.mylivepage.com/image/index/first


Another hobbyist beekeeper. 10 hives.
http://vlado2.mylivepage.ru/image/index/last

A beekeeper. He have a great sense of humor. 200+ hives. Very rich flora.
http://ba4o.mylivepage.com/

Another beekeeper. 400+ hives. Not very rich honeyflow. He produce mainly bee pollen. I don't know him. Many bulgarian beekeepers hate him because of his ego and his connections in the government. He started beekeeping with 300 hives in year 2003. I place it here because he use different type of beehive - 7 frame langstroth, known in Bulgaria as "Gurdev 1300".
http://www.fermatodorovi.ewebsite.com/articles/__1047___1072_-__1085___1072___1089_.html


I don't know nothing about this one.
http://beniovmed.ucoz.com/photo/2


The most of the commercial beekeeprers in Bulgaria don't have a website. And they do not publish pictures in the net.


I almost forgot for this one.
http://pchelari.com/snimka/gallery.php?page=1


I'm sure you haven't seen this kind of hive before. 13 Dadant (same size as MD) frames, up to four "hives" could be attached.

 

[Finman]

.
Много благодаря. Това е добра колекция. Аз може да използва преводач да се чете българска hieroglyfe

 

[Finman]

.
I put links to Finnish beekeeping forum too
http://bee.freesuperhost.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1296914242/0

 

[Finman]

I'm sure you haven't seen this kind of hive before. 13 Dadant (same size as MD) frames, up to four "hives" could be attached.

HEH! Not long hive or tall hive.

Solution how you may touch every frame without lifting boxes.

 

[Scutellator]

Hi Donnie,
So, what you are trying to put across is that queens were confined in a excluder cage with an empty frame and laid 3,600 eggs in 24 hours but this doesn't happen in a normal hive because as we all know the rate/amount of egg laying is determined by the season, race, the amount of food being fed to the queen, number of cells available, incoming supplies etc etc. and that the normal maximum number of eggs laid in 24 hours would be about 1,800?
Cell size also has to be considered. A Langstroth brood frame with 5,4 has about 6,500 cells, if the cell size is 5,1 the number of cells goes up to around 7,000. In the USA 5,1 is normally used whilst in Europe 5,4 or larger is the norm.
Best regards
Norton.

Hi Norton,
I am not trying to say anything. At the **** of the season the bulgarian bees have more brood than carniolan, but less than a prolific italian.
The rule to not use the full potential of the queens apply to almost every race. You will find that when suitably crossed, many races show increase in the amount of brood in F1 and even more in F2.

Here the cell size is 5,35 (+-0,05). I am used to estimate that Dadant frame has 8000 cells and the Langstroth 6200, even 6000.


Best regards
Donnie

 

[Scutellator]

Finman, I am pleased. I couldn't expect that you can write in Bulgarian.

If you need something, i'll be glad to help.

 

[Skyhook]

Is it just me, or are there a lot of hives in those bulgarian apiaries? Especially the one described as having poor forage!

 

[Finman]

.
I wonder that same thing. Tens of hives in one place.
It is not according new reasearches.
Bees tend to go to the nearest flowers are do not know that far aways flowers are full of food.

 

[Scutellator]

Well, it's not easy to break someone of the bad habits. It has been done for centuries that way. The beekeeping is very conservative. Here even those who doesn't practise migratory beekeepring tend to place a hundreds of hives (ussualy not more than 100-120) in one site. Because their fathers, their grandfathers and their grand-grandfathers kept their bees that way. "There are enough flowers"- that's what they say, not thinking the bees have to fly further in search for food. The hives are placed in rows (as recomended in the old books) all facing in one direction. Drifting? - Yes, the first row collects more honey than the rest, but as long as the bees return to the same apiary, who cares. If possible they would place all the hives in their backyard.

I know a site with 500 hives. They belong to two beekeepers who are over 60 years old (about the average age for the average Bugarian beekeeper). Don't ask me where the honey comes from, you have to figure it out by yourselves.