British black bee

[For want of a better word]

OH I give up with you! Still can't figure out the species status.

Perhaps you should read Cooper then!

 

[drstitson]

"Pre DNA..."

crikey - how do british black bees transmit their genetic information then? do tell.

 

[For want of a better word]

"Pre DNA..."

crikey - how do british black bees transmit their genetic information then? do tell.

OK.... pre mans knowledge of the DNA double helix molecule !

let alone DNA fingerprinting ( that I believe you have some knowledge of!)

(I shall now don sackcloth and ashes and submissively plead for forgiveness... may even end up looking like MBC.s Avatar! )

 

[beekeeping4you]

The logic still escapes.

Hi icanhopit,
I went back to post #63, is that the point where "Buckiebeefanciersmobhijackedathread" started?

(If yes, then I can only see you and mbc going to spend time on the naughty step!)

Regards
Reiner

 

[For want of a better word]

The logic still escapes.

Regards
Reiner

#63 ?

most certainly it doe​

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[mbc]

I have not heard of BIBBA or other minority breeding groups doing this but stand corrected if they do?

There are various stud books available for serious breeders of AMM.

It seems that the persuasive arguments presented by various minority* breeding groups may hold sway with the regulatory bodies before too long: http://nihbs.org/?page_id=435

With an important vote coming up in Scotland less than a year away things may soon change up there too, it certainly seems the case given the recent Scottish Government support given to the special status on Colonsay, its just a shame we must abide by the government in Westminster, who are staggering in their disregard for matters in the rural sector and are advised by the totally limp NBU, still, if the Scotts get their way, us Welsh will soon be given the option to leave too and theres no doubt the Assembly puts more value on rural affairs.

*Minority is an interesting term to use regarding breeding native bees in Britain as there is no foundation for it, certainly its probable that more queens are imported than are available for sale from home bred sources but if we are taking European or World beekeeping into account then all British Isles beekeeping of any colour is very much a minority pursuit.
To my knowledge all BKA's barring the BFA are nominally against queen imports, which puts the very few individuals who profit from importing queens very much in the minority.

 

[Stiffy]

Beekeeper Andrew Abrahams has campaigned for the islands to be recognised as a sanctuary for the species. He began keeping bees on Colonsay 35 years ago, but the island has an even longer tradition as a haven for the black bee. Its isolation and lack of an existing honeybee population saw it chosen as the site for an experimental breeding station for the native bee in 1941.

Pre DNA... let alone BA's Bucfast mongrel !

I personally have no problem with beekeeperers keeping Buckfast or for that matter any species of bee, endemic or not .... but it is very inconsiderate of anyone keeping any honeybee species, with the sole intention to interfere with a scientifically monitored breeding programme !

once again the Buckie beefanciers mob have hi-jacked a thread... all the OP asked was what sort of bee to keep!

I suggested local ones .. and the breath of wrath raged!

ADMIN... close thread or someone else is going to spend time on the naughty step!

I think you will find that the original answers to the question were answered with recommendations that they should try to handle as many bee strains as possible. The thread then, as usual tumbled as the usual zealots claimed that AMM are the best?
I am also unaware of any beek that would intentionally disrupt any scientific breeding program, first though such a programme has to be in place.....is there one, please direct me to the peer revewied results ?
S

 

[mbc]

Find a bee that suits you and if possible get as much handling experience with different strains as you can until you find the one you like.

BANGING

I think you will find that the original answers to the question were answered with recommendations that they should try to handle as many bee strains as possible.

YOUR
OWN
DRUM

The thread then, as usual tumbled as the usual zealots claimed that AMM are the best?

Simply not true, or point it out in the thread, I've just quickly skimmed through and not been able to find it.

 

[The Drone Ranger]

For most UK beekeepers sourcing an AMM queen would just be buying a black coloured hybrid bee
Even if it had a high proportion of AMM characteristics any daughters will mate locally and be hybrids same as if the queen was one of the more readily available Carniolan or Italians etc.
A good get out of jail card if you only have one or two hives but at £40 or so not a cheap one

 

[Norton]

Perhaps you should read Cooper then!

What has Cooper got to do with you not understanding the difference between species and subspecies?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

What has Cooper got to do with you not understanding the difference between species and subspecies?

he'd be better off reading the intro to de Bruyin's book

 

[user 6228]

Just wondering if a skep is warmer or colder than a cedar hive?

The walls of a skep are generally thicker than any timber that's used for a hive, and there is air trapped in both the reed stems and between the individual pieces of reed. In winter they were generally placed somewhere out of the weather, which would reduce heat loss by convection. At least I think so.

So far the test shows they substantially warmer than cedar hives. They maybe warmer than some poly hives ... there's a surprise!

 

[BeeJayBee]

So far the test shows they substantially warmer than cedar hives. They maybe warmer than some poly hives ... there's a surprise!

I wonder how much of this is to do with the material and the way it traps air, and how much is to do with the shape.

 

[For want of a better word]

Originally Posted by derekm View Post
So far the test shows they substantially warmer than cedar hives. They maybe warmer than some poly hives ... there's a surprise!
I wonder how much of this is to do with the material and the way it traps air, and how much is to do with the shape.


Now If it could be fitted with removable frames..... there's a thought !

 

[Goran]

There are hives with wooden support and walls from a straw, any dimensions you want ( lang, other..)..