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The trouble with this Forum is, it gets sidetracked into thinking about bees.

And why worry about new colonies when we've not sorted out the old ones yet?

The Americas, for example. Gather they chucked perfectly good tea into the water in Boston. And claim to be independent!

Damned cheek! Send in the gunboats I say.

Time to sort out these damned colonials.

Dusty
 
i read some proper Native Americans used to call honey bees " white man's flies"
 
Ahh, sorry, that was cornflour, wasn't it. Maxwell House building in Banbury, blown up in about 1973/4, as I recall.
 
Some northern beeks here break down all their hives into nucs every fall using the walkaway method.

The only reason so much of this nations bees are reared in the south is because we can. Queens are being grafted right now in Texas, they can be mated and shipped north for pollination by early March. If we relied on only northern stock we would not have queens in time for the apple bloom which hits the first week of May. The earliest I can get my own queens mated in this area would be mid June.

There is a strong suspicion this sideof the pond that part of the reason America has CCD is due to the stress put on the bees by american methods (monocrop forage, long distance travel, poor hygeine).

Could this fall into that category?

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Ahh, sorry, that was cornflour, wasn't it. Maxwell House building in Banbury, blown up in about 1973/4, as I recall.

I don't think it explodes so well if you make it into custard first.
 
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"they can be mated and shipped north for pollination by early March. ".

Pollination business is very different that of honey business.
Taxes are paid according number of brood frames.

If you split the wintered colony, it takes several months that it is able to forage honey.

We can here too bye from Italy queens or Carniolans from Check Republic. But there is not bees enough to build up foraging colonies for that summer. It happens too that many of those Italian are not able to form winter cluster. They die next winter.

One year I bought 6 queens. When they arrived in the middle of May, my colonies were so weak that I did nothing with those queens. Since that I have had "Christmas layers"


Professional beekeepers sell here nucs every year. It is their business. what ever tricks they use, I do not know.
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But now we talked about a guy who want to grow his hive number from 3 to 5

I may douple my hive number every year and that is not a job at all.

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From 3 t0 5

Hi all I am relatively new to bee keeping had winter loses last winter 2010- 2011 from starvation due to a total lack of understanding. I have now got 3 colonies that at the moment seem to be doing just fine and would like to increase to 5 this coming year, I have been reading this thread and (maybe its just me) but I still don't understand the best way forward. Sorry in advance if its already covered.

The colonies are :-

1. Purchased from local beekeeper as full colony last May which has over wintered with a bs brood and super

2. Primary swarm collected from neighbours garden in May over wintered on bs brood and super

3. Ferral colony x 2 collect from abandoned hives in July, united together in October due to poor queen in one over wintered in 2x bs brood

Spare equipment wont be a problem due to going mad in the sales:)

Any advise would be great
 
barranak,

but I still don't understand the best way forward.

Neither do we - until the time arrives!

Consider all the choices and pick a simple one at the time.

Weather, colony strength, forage, haste (or otherwise) and other factors may make the decision very very obvious, or perhaps there may be two or three equal(ish) options at the time.

In your location I would hazard a guess (all hives being equal and an average good year) that your colonies may be getting near to swarming at the close of the OSR foraging and that might be a good time to A/S, or split.

You might wish to demaree one of your colonies, to induce supercedure cells from the queen you may prefer to increase from, and use her queen cells for any splits with other colonies. Whatever you do, keep it simple and within your capabilities (you can't try all methods in your first season, or at least it would be ill advised to try).

Just don't know until the time. Decide which methods you can handle and/or prefer and go that way if the opportunity presents itself - but keep in mind the other alternatives (if they come up as appropriate) or instead of, by virtue of the preferred method not suiting the conditions.

Think back to last year? So many got caught with the unseasonally warm weather in April and then were waiting weeks because the weather was too cold for mating flights for most of May. Think of what may be ahead, instead of blindly rushing in at the very first 'apparent' opportunity. Mostly my warnings went unheeded or ignored. I sorted for my new queens at the end of May and beginning of June last year.

Some like Hivemaker (hugely experienced, and has a different climate down there) started early with his queen rearing and was lucky (weather-wise, compared to a lot of us) and was successful from the first attempt. He would not have been phased if his first grafts had failed and would simply have persevered with repeats.

As a beginner, don't 'put all your eggs in one basket'. You might come up 'smelling of roses' or you might have to start from scratch again - not so easy for the inexperienced to have to 'change lanes' at short notice.

Just don't worry about it. It will be simple when the time comes - but be prepared.

Regards, RAB
 
There is a strong suspicion this sideof the pond that part of the reason America has CCD is due to the stress put on the bees by american methods (monocrop forage, long distance travel, poor hygeine).

Could this fall into that category?

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CCD has been determined to be caused by a parasitic fly which was introduced to the country to control fire ant populations... turns out they like honey bees too.

Monoag, long distance travel, and other stresses do have their detriments.. Which is why walkaway splits were developed as an alternative to buying southern package bees.

I would be interested in knowing how one goes about rearing queens that are not started as Emergency cells? You would have to successfully convince the bees that they needed to build cells to swarm... In order to do that the colony would need to stay queen right the entire time.
 
Sugarbush - there are a fair number of articles on "Queen-righ Queen Rearing. One of these methods is known as the Ben Harden method of Queen rearing.

My understanding of such methods is that you do not have to trick the bees into thinking they need to build queen cells in order to swarm but you do have to keep an eye out fro when the cells are sealed....

If the colony comes across a natural cell or jenter/cup kit "cell" that is pointing downwards as opposed to horizontal and has an egg in it, it will be extended downwards and the egg/larva will be fed and raised as a queen. This is the essence of larval transfer/grafting, cell punching etc.

Someone more knowledgable than I about queen rearing will be along soon to expand!!
 
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The attitude you express with almost everything you post is what got you banned from the American Beekeeping Forum. You catch more flys with honey... Try being less critical of other people's methods. I understand that your English is poor and maybe some of the attitude expressed in your posts is related to the language barrier, I have given you the benefit of the doubt for many years now.

As said, Whoa!

We both like Finman's rhetoric, his tips and explanations.

Once we understood his 'Finnglish', we have a lot of fun in the translation too!

As for being thrown off forums, people have been thrown off or boycotted or ignored for telling the truth (many have been burned at the stake for that too).

Having forced the rest of the world to speak English, they may not speak it as well as we would like despite their constant improvement. We wish some with English as their mother tongue put as much effort into using it more correctly.

IOHO of course :)
 
Sugarbush?

Can you put up a link to the evidence to this fly matter and CCD?

I have been away for some time and may have missed this important news?

PH
 
CCD has been determined to be caused by a parasitic fly which was introduced to the country to control fire ant populations... turns out they like honey bees too.

Um, no it has not. CCD is an issue where bees are shunted 1000s of miles and fed on sugar water to perform what amounts to slave labour in an unnatural environment (eg. vast almond plantations).

"Message from Joe Derisi on Media craziness: phorids and bees

It looks like the media has really run with the whole zombie-bee phorid thing. Charles and I are authors on that paper, but I want you to know that we do not agree with the statements being made in the press and by others, claiming that phorids are even remotely responsible for colony collapse.

You may hear from your stakeholders that are listening to the popular press today. The media is way over-hyping this story.

J

Joseph DeRisi

Howard Hughes Medical Institute

UC San Francisco"
 
The original scientific article is up on PLoS One, there's a link to it in the first thread that Erichalfbee has linked to a post or two up from this one.

The authors say in the abstract that understanding colony losses caused by a. borealis might held to understand colony losses from CCD.
 

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