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Bee Culture mag has a nice write up about the fly in this months issue. I don't know if you get that Mag is GB. There are many online articles about it now.
http://www.startribune.com/nation/136876153.html

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/01/parasitic-fly-dooms-bees-to-death.html

Neither of those articles suggests that the fly is responsible for CCD as you've claimed. The first one suggests it might be a cause, and the second one says that, so far, " ...the infection rate does not appear to be high enough to cause problems for hives ...".
 
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That fly which makes bees zombies

According wikipedia "Zombie (Haitian Creole: zonbi; North Mbundu: nzumbe) is a term used to denote an animated corpse brought back to life by mystical means, such as witchcraft.[1] "

Now this fly must be Zom Bee or something. According wikipedia "Zom is a fictional character appearing in the Marvel Comics universe. He is a gigantic semi-bee demon who has clashed with Doctor Strange."

We are very near the truth. Zom Bee does something to living bees. No one knows what. But it is sure that it does not wake them up from death.

I wait for further researches from MAAREC....

.https://agdev.anr.udel.edu/maarec/category/ccd/

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Knowledge

I love this Forum.
Have just spent best part of half an hour reading this thread.
You don't have to join in, just look and learn.

Finman and Sugarbush, both thousands of miles apart. But in the northern hemisphere. Both VERY different beekeepers, but nevertheless beekeepers.
I notice that Sugarbush gives his age in profile as 100?

How come we don't get anything from Aus or NZ. On this topic.
I know they are out of "sink" with seasons, but they must have opinions???

Anyone awake down there?
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CCD has been determined to be caused by a parasitic fly which was introduced to the country to control fire ant populations... turns out they like honey bees too.

Monoag, long distance travel, and other stresses do have their detriments.. Which is why walkaway splits were developed as an alternative to buying southern package bees.

I would be interested in knowing how one goes about rearing queens that are not started as Emergency cells? You would have to successfully convince the bees that they needed to build cells to swarm... In order to do that the colony would need to stay queen right the entire time.

My understanding is that Apocephalus borealis is a new and emerging threat in the US, but very unlikely to be more than a minor contributing factor in CCD.

As regards queen rearing, there are a number of approaches. As I understand it the demaree and similar methods briefly make the colony think they are Q- to induce cells, then re-combine to reduce the desperate rush to raise queens. Larger scale queen producers use Q- colonies to raise cells, but big strong colonies full of food and nurse bees.

I've seen the walkaway method described in older books, but it doesn't seem to be done much any more.

However, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Can the queens in walkaways produce big colonies, and can they do so for at least 2 years? I would think that if the answers are yes and yes, then it works for those farmers. However, as has been pointed out, it can often take weeks to get a queen mated and laying in our fickle climate, so it makes more sense to avoid a Q- colony having to start from scratch if at all possible.

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One of the problems with CCD is in the end, there is nothing left in the hive to test. It presents with all the classic signs and would explain why CCD is impacting migratory only. There bees are always in an area with large concentrations of bees, which means large concentrations of food for the fly... which means they get impacted and the rest of us don't.
 
So unless a person has perfected the technique of raising queens completely Q right, they all start as emergency cells, even if you switch to queen right after the cells are started.

Just to outline the Walkaway split:
A walk away split. You take a frame of eggs, two frames of emerging brood and two frames of pollen and honey and put them in a 5 frame nuc, shake in some extra nurse bees (making sure you don't get the queen), put the lid on and walk away. Come back in four weeks and see if the queen is laying. Micheal Bush

Some people go a step farther and place the new nuc at the location of the original colony and move the queen right section several yards away. This keeps the nuc well supplied with bees and stores while the new queen is reared.
 
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World is full of books and advices to rear queens. Nothing strange in that.

You get good queens with emergency technigue too if you start from eggs. Bees have time to fill the cell with royal jelly.

I have grafted queen 45 years. Help needed!

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If I remember correctly, some of the entomological research conducted by the University of Florida indicates that the levels of CCD are comparable between static and migratory honeybees. Whilst I do not warm to the practice of migratory beekeeping on an industrial scale such as that practiced in the USA, I am not satisfied that migratory beekeeping is of itself the sole cause of CCD.
 
If I remember correctly, some of the entomological research conducted by the University of Florida indicates that the levels of CCD are comparable between static and migratory honeybees. Whilst I do not warm to the practice of migratory beekeeping on an industrial scale such as that practiced in the USA, I am not satisfied that migratory beekeeping is of itself the sole cause of CCD.


CCD is only in USA. It is only nation which collect half of its hives to "winter" on places where winter temps are 20C.

There are thousands of hives in same place and nothing to forage. Bees burn their bodies to end and die. Before that they starve badly and get many kind of diseases.

.............That is an explanation by famous experts in USA.

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If I remember correctly, some of the entomological research conducted by the University of Florida indicates that the levels of CCD are comparable between static and migratory honeybees.

That is true, but only in states that migratory bees frequent. We have states that have had no reports of CCD at all.

Interestingly a new study put out recently says that native bumble bee populations have decreased by 96%, The parasitic fly also predates them which is one reason it is now the primary suspect in CCD.
 
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Germany, Belgium, France, the Netherlands, Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Spain have all been effected by CCD.

Or not. Everyone loses colonies, sometimes the cause is known, sometimes not. If there is a cause in the news, it's tempting to go for that.

The fact is that CCD is badly named- it's not a disorder, it's a syndrome according to my understanding of the definitions, ie it is a group of symptoms that has attracted a name because there seems to be a pattern but no explanation.

As long as that is the case it's hard to be definitive, but the patterns in europe do not seem to match the patterns in the USA.

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Germany, Belgium, France, the Netherlands, Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Spain have all been effected by CCD.

Show me those facts. I have my own facts and CCD has not been found in Europe, and not even in Canada.

European Countries have organized its own hive losses research and what you say, it is not from this globe.

Sugarbush. You have vivid imagination in your many statements.

SCIENTIFIC REPORT submitted to EFSA
Bee Mortality and Bee Surveillance in Europe1
Prepared by
Pascal Hendrikx – AFSSA – France
Marie-Pierre Chauzat – AFSSA – France
Marion Debin – AFSSA – France
Peter Neuman – ALP – Switzerland
Ingemar Fries – SLU – Sweden
Wolfgang Ritter – CVUA Freiburg – Germany
Mike Brown – Fera – United Kingdom
Franco Mutinelli – IZSVE – Italy
Yves Le Conte – INRA – France
Ales Gregorc – KIS – Slovenia
1 CFP/EFSA/AMU/2008/02. Accepted for Publication on 03 December 2009
Bee Mortality and Bee Surveillance in Europe
2
The present document has been produced and adopted by the bodies identified above as author(s). In accordance with
Article 36 of Regulation (EC) No 178/2002, this task has been carried out exclusively by the author(s) in the context of a grant
agreement between the European Food Safety Authority and the author(s). The present document is published complying
with the transparency principle to which the European Food Safety Authority is subject. It may not be considered as an output
adopted by EFSA. EFSA reserves its rights, view and position as regards the issues addressed and the conclusions reached
in the present document, without prejudice to the rights of the authors.
Abstract
The bee surveillance project sought information on both the prevalence of honey bee colony losses,
and the surveillance systems found in 27 European countries. Through a standardized questionnaire,
data was obtained from 24 countries, relating to 25 systems. Each of the surveillance systems
collecting these data was evaluated. In addition, a thorough literature search of the existing
databases, as well as relevant grey literature about causes of colony losses was completed, and the
literature evaluated.
The main conclusions from project activities can be summarized as follows:
• General weakness of most of the surveillance systems in the 24 countries investigated;
• Lack of representative data at country level and comparable data at EU level for colony
losses;
• General lack of standardisation and harmonisation at EU level (systems, case definitions and
data collected);
• Consensus of the scientific community about the multifactorial origin of colony losses in
Europe and in the United States and insufficient knowledge of causative and risk factors for
colony losses.
The project makes recommendations, in the following areas:
• Establishment of a sustainable European network for coordination and follow-up of
surveillance on colony losses to underpin monitoring programmes;
• Strengthen standardization at European level by harmonization of surveillance systems, data
collected and by developing common performance indicators.
• Build on the examples of best practice found in existing surveillance systems for
communicable and notifiable diseases already present in some countries;.
• Undertake specific studies that build on the existing work in progress to improve the
knowledge and understanding of factors that affect bee health (for example stress caused by
pathogens, pesticides, environmental and technological factors and their interactions) using
appropriate epidemiological studies (case control and longitudinal studies).
• The set up of the coordination team at European level. This is a crucial issue and the
coordination team should be organized in such a way so as to ensure its sustainability


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Now European countries have founded a COLOSS project where researches are going to reviele out the wellfare of honey bees.

It has been said that CCD is in many countries like in China and Eastern Europe, but those countries does not even count their hives. How they know how many die when they do not know how many exist.


First duty it to syncronize the habits/methods, how the issue is researched.
In June 2011 it was published a document part of this syncronizing. It is 34 pages. http://ec.europa.eu/food/animal/liveanimals/bees/docs/annex_i_pilot_project_en.pdf

Basis for a pilot surveillance project on honeybee colony losses – June 2011On the page 10 it is said:

1.4 State of the art on honeybee colony losses and surveillance systems in
Europe


1.4.1 Main pathogens (diseases) and their distribution in regard to Europe
About thirty major biological pathogen species affecting bees have been identified today: 4 predatory, 4 ectoparasitic and 1 endoparasitic arthropods, 1 endoparasitic protozoan, 4 fungi,5 bacteria and around 12 viruses (AFSSA report 2008). Some of these viruses as well as some
others rarely detected/isolated or recently discovered are present in bees without any clear consequences (e.g. four viruses newly isolated by Runckel et al. 2011). Overall, many honeybee viruses have the potential to become pathogenic if the circumstances are right, for example in combination with some other synergistic organisms or circumstances or might represent some weakly pathogenic organisms. Of these major pathogenic species, the most important in terms of prevalence and importance of known potential damage inflicted on colonies are the following:

- 1 predatory beetle (Aethina tumida, the small hive beetle; not present in Europe: see
below)
- 3 ectoparasitic mites (Varroa destructor, agent of varroosis, and Tropilaelaps clareae, as well as T. Mercedesae – see below)
- 2 fungi (Nosema apis and N. ceranae, agents of nosemosis)
- 2 bacteria (Paenibacillus larvae, agent of American foulbrood and Melissococcus
plutonius, agent of European foulbrood)
- 3 viruses known to induce honeybee losses without association needed (Chronic bee paralysis virus CBPV) or in association with V. destructor (Acute bee paralysis virus ABPV and Deformed wing virus DWV).

V. destructor requires some particular attention, because it was a primarily exotic mite, which entered Europe in the 1980’s. To date, it is endemic in all the European apiaries and was shown strongly linked to winter mortalities in many surveillance studies (Genersch et al. 2010, Chauzat et al. 2010). Moreover, it is worth noting that V. destructor is a vector of some
viruses (ABPV and DWV among others). It has been hypothesized that the relatively recent Basis for a pilot surveillance project on honeybee colony losses
– June 2011 10 expansion of this invasive species associated with viruses and with increasing resistance to some acaricides could be a major factor of the currently apparent increase of colony losses.
 
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Denial is a river in Egypt.

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...l-phenomenon-says-united-nations-2237541.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/02/colony_collapse_disorder/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/05/us-honeybee-deaths-idUSTRE7242C220110305

Why is SLU doing a 4 year study to wrap up in 2014 on CCD in conjunction with 9 other Facilities across Europe if it doesn't exist there? seems like a huge waste of resources.
http://www.slu.se/PageFiles/6991/BEEDOCen 20111212 logo Trek.pdf



here is another huge waste of research dollars, spent chasing Sasquach.
http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/press/news/amu081219.htm

Skyhook you are correct: It isn't a disease, it is a group of symptoms. It may turn out that their are multiple factors involved. Once it is completely understood it will no longer be called CCD. CCD is just a category to throw unexplained high volume hive losses into. Just like until they identified AID and HIV in 1986, prior to that they were aware that they had a problem, but could not identify it... it was called "GRID" Gay-Related
Immune Deficiency Syndrome.
 
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Haven't we drifted off topic somewhat?

Hmm let me think we've gone from an OP wanting another couple of colonies, to discussing producing hundreds or maybe a thousand in a year - starting a commercial flower selling business then to mass decline in the world bee population (or colony collapse if you're in the colonies or read sensationalist comics like the Guardian, mail or Independent) so, loads of nucs tempered with sudden colony collapse net result a measly two flippin new colonies - bang on target with a lorry load of blue flowers to put on your grave becuse by this time you're absolutely buggered!! huzza!!!:party::biggrinjester:
 


These are newspaper men's hype articles. Not a bit researches.


This is a Swedish part of COLOSS project. It says nothing that CCD is in Sweden or in Europe.
Swedish researchers have healty brains. That I know.





here is another huge waste of research dollars, spent chasing Sasquach.
http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/press/news/amu081219.htm


This text is over 3 years old. We know now much more about CCD. It is dated News Story
19 December 2008.

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Hmm let me think we've gone from an OP wanting another couple of colonies, to discussing producing hundreds or maybe a thousand in a year - starting a commercial flower selling business then to mass decline in the world bee population (or colony collapse if you're in the colonies or read sensationalist comics like the Guardian, mail or Independent) so, loads of nucs tempered with sudden colony collapse net result a measly two flippin new colonies - bang on target with a lorry load of blue flowers to put on your grave becuse by this time you're absolutely buggered!! huzza!!!:party::biggrinjester:




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