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Sounds life threatening. Avoid a tragedy. MOVE THE BEES ASAP
Just seal them up in the evening and relocate. Take a big stick
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Bees move asap as said.
You cannot trust the land owner so take a small spray of ammonia with you. If the dogs become aggressive then a squirt towards them will chase them off. It won't hurt them as you are not spraying the dogs but just the air in front of them and they will pick up the trace very quickly. I've had to use this method a few times when faced with being attacked by dogs.
Please report the incident to the Police or dog warden. Dog bites are very serious because, apart from the damaged flesh, the bacteria introduced to the wound are nasty. You might save someone's limbs or life.
 

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That's the reason ... people I know who would like a dog have been refused by most of the charities because they both work .. although my friend is a self employed plumber and is home a lot of the time - because they both work they were deemed unsuitable candidates. I'm on the fence on this - I can see the need for vetting dog adoption candidates but my friend has had dogs for 30 years ... he used to take his last dog to work with him and they were inseparable ... they would be good people to rehome a rescue dog. They are looking at a rescue dog from abroad as an alternative ...

However - there are downsides as we could be seeing totally unsuitable people getting foreign rescue dogs when they are rejected by UK rehoming organisations ...

Rock and hard place I reckon....
This is exactly what happened with my neighbour, who isn't a bad person, nor cruel, but works all day.( so must have been turned down by a reputable agency) Her previous dog, who sadly died, was a lovely, quiet, placid greyhound, who was quite happy to wait all day for the family to return. However, this Romanian dog barks incessantly, and, during lockdown, was left in the yard, where she barked hysterically at us every time we came out of the house and bit another elderly neighbour as he took the bin out because of a broken gate. My husband is terrified of it. All my neighbour says when we complain is 'she's very loving'. We've even considered moving.
 

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As others have said move your bees as soon as possible.

The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 states the following: Under the Act, it's illegal for a dog to be 'out of control' or to bite or attack someone. The legislation also makes it an offence if a person is worried or afraid (the term is 'reasonable apprehension') that a dog may bite them.

Since 2014 it has been amended to include dogs on private property. As the dogs have bitten and put you in fear of being bitten then the landowner is in contravention of the act.

Please report this to you local dog warden if you have one and to the police. If the police don't take it seriously (they generally do) remind them of the act.

If you need any legal advice Trevor Cooper of Dog Law can help. He deals with a large number of dog bite related cases and has helpful information on his website. Dog Legal Specialists & Solicitors | Dog Law

Even if you decide not proceed with anything for your own experience please remember that as the dogs now have have a bite history that they may well try and bite other visitors to the property. Is the owner aware that these dogs have bitten you?

Letting the dog warden know is important too. They may well have other reports of issues relating to this person and your information can provide further support to any case that might be brought against them.
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Should have been your first move after being bitten and the unacceptable response. Get your bees from there, she sounds a right beaut. Who keeps twelve dogs?
 

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the question, request for information & ideas, recommendations was regarding bees, but at the drop of a hat, the post was hijacked and turned into a dog related post, .....
 

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The thread was not hijacked - it developed.
Thanks for your advice on how a thread should run, but I think we have that in hand, if you don't like the discussion on dogs in a thread discussing problems with dogs, please feel free to skip over the posts. You are free to do so.
 

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To deviate further, back in the 1980s I defended Arthur Scargill's cousin in a dangerous dog case. I sent my articled clerk into the waiting room at the Barnsley Magistrates Court to call "Is Mr Scargill here?" The reaction from the packed room was wonderful. The articled clerk never forgave me.
 
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The thread was not hijacked - it developed.
Thanks for your advice on how a thread should run, but I think we have that in hand, if you don't like the discussion on dogs in a thread discussing problems with dogs, please feel free to skip over the posts. You are free to do so.
And actually Val (a long time member on here and nice to see her back posting) got her answer .. move them ASAP ... the bees won't mind the move but from the point of view of the people involved the stress levels will be much reduced ... and that's good for the bees as well.

The cause of the dog situation was relevant if a little off at a tangent ... but one of the things that has always been attractive about this forum is the way threads develop. A single post can often lead to some interesting discussion - if people didn't like it they wouldn't read it and wouldn't contribute ...
 

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Get your bees from there, she sounds a right beaut. Who keeps twelve dogs?
Big business in this country! People boast about having a rescue dog from abroad. Should not be allowed. Apparently, the EU had a target of eradicating rabies by 2020 in countries like Romania.
 

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Whilst we are on the topic of dogs ... during the pandemic - where responsible breeders of dogs have not been allowing their aninmals to have litters there is a dreadful shortage of puppies ... because more people have been at home working and are changing lifestyle there has been an increased demand for the popular breeds. Labradors puppies, for instance, average pedigrees, have leapt in price from an average of £700- £800, decent pedigrees £800 - £1000 .... to some opportunist breeders asking £2500 !!

try getting a cocker spaniel. we have one we rescued from a family 9 years ago and have been considering getting another pup but refuse to pay upwards of £3k for one!
 

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try getting a cocker spaniel. we have one we rescued from a family 9 years ago and have been considering getting another pup but refuse to pay upwards of £3k for one!
Crikey
I paid £25 for my last collie.
The two before were swapped for a free op for their breeder’s retiring breeding bitches.
 
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try getting a cocker spaniel. we have one we rescued from a family 9 years ago and have been considering getting another pup but refuse to pay upwards of £3k for one!
Last cocker I bought (OK, it was 20 years ago) top working bloodline, cost me £150.00 then a few years later I bought a working springer and blew the bank at £250.00!!
 

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Ownership costs and vets now put me off having another dog/s, I paid £250 in 96 and £400 in 98 for Golden Retriever's from the same breeder. Both half brothers with the same mother, the younger boy was nearly was 11 when he was put to sleep sadly he had a brain tumour and suffered a few grand mals. The older boy suffered a major stroke some 6 months later and was put to sleep both had a good great life and we would go hours walking.
 

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Should we wait until winter and they are in a cluster, or is it better to do it sooner rather than later.
Just back to the question of when to move bees. In this case obviously asap, but generally people should be aware it's best not to move bees in cluster if possible.

Jolting the hives, e.g in the back of the van, can break the cluster and cause bees to fall to the floor where they quickly succumb because it's too cold for them to climb back up.

If bees do need to be moved in winter, best do it during a mild spell when bees are moving about in the hive.
 

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makes me laugh that people pay loadsa money for these so called designer dogs - eg - Labrador cross poodle .....and then brag "oh I've got a labradoodle" or some old tosh - at the end of the day they are nothing but mutts....mongrels.....cross breeds. gonna get myself a bulldog x shitzhu
 

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makes me laugh that people pay loadsa money for these so called designer dogs - eg - Labrador cross poodle .....and then brag "oh I've got a labradoodle" or some old tosh - at the end of the day they are nothing but mutts....mongrels.....cross breeds. gonna get myself a bulldog x shitzhu
Whats even funnier is that the Kennel Club will register them if you give them money !!!
 

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makes me laugh that people pay loadsa money for these so called designer dogs - eg - Labrador cross poodle .....and then brag "oh I've got a labradoodle" or some old tosh - at the end of the day they are nothing but mutts....mongrels.....cross breeds. gonna get myself a bulldog x shitzhu
The most pathetic one is sprocker - a cross between two spaniels!! before the kennel club (funnily enough, founded more or less the same time as the BBKA) stuck their beaks in a spaniel was a spaniel regardless of shape or colour. once they had grown they were then graded by size so technically you could have a cocker(small spaniel useful for woodcock hunting) a springer (medium sized good for springing/flushing game) and a field spaniel (large, for working more open country) all in the same litter. and as for cockapoo - a cross between a small spaniel and a French water spaniel!!
 
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