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Not ever likely to be in Brum Finc.....to over populated for me...and i don't drink,well not alcohol.....did i spell that RYTE,so you could understand it.
But if your ever down this way perhaps we could sit up on the moors, and drink some bog water.
You sound like my kind of guy. Unfortunately ( but fortunately for me,) I am off to my place in Southern Spain for two months to to set up apiary there. Beekeeping season is much different there, and so are the bees. Best wishes, Eddie
 
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So what subspecies of bees are do you have?
When I first started some 40 odd years ago the bees were very dark and very much closer to AMM than we can hope for today. Honest answer to your question is that they are some sort of ' mongrels 'Some years ago Anthony Rawlings, in an attempt to maintain the ' purity ' of his selected stocks went to all beekeepers within about a four mile radius of his apiaries and GAVE them one of his queens for each colony, in an attempt to maintain ' purity ' of the bees. Not sure of the outcome but the biggest problem that I can see with this is that any colonies outside the four miles will be foraging INSIDE the requeened area and Queen mating will be a dubious process once swarming/ supercedure takes place. Same applies to these artificially inseminated AMM queens ( £80.00 each ) Yes you will get an AMM colony as long as it doesn't swarm and you can keep it as AMM if there are no bees within about 10 miles. Keeping bees is a challenge and we are all learning every day.
 
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Replies on this forum indicate that imported honey may be responsible for bringing AFB here. The market for home produced honey in Spain has collapsed due to large scale imports from China, which, on testing, contain all sorts of chemicals which real honey does not contain. So, yes honey imports SHOULD be banned. Reality is that no-one would make money from this and politicians would not gain votes. Brave New World we live in.
 
We banned importation of China honey years ago due to the levels of antibiotics found in shipments.

Although there have been court cases(Scotland and Norfolk) of China honey being passed off as uk honey in the past.
 
We banned importation of China honey years ago due to the levels of antibiotics found in shipments.

Although there have been court cases(Scotland and Norfolk) of China honey being passed off as uk honey in the past.


Wow is the ban still in place on honey from China. If so I bet they have a way around it move the honey to other countrys repackage it sell it on as different country.

I keep telling people the jars in the supermarket say made from EU and non EU countrys with perhaps 1% from the EU country and the rest ?? but hope its not from China.
 
Chinese Honey

It has been reported that there is still some of those banned consignments eventually ending up here. Bought cheap, by a third party, blended with other stock to reduce the antibiotics levels, etc and then slhipped in as 'of other origin'. (was that shipped or slipped?)

It happens all the time doesn't it? I remember, not so long ago the dodgy petrol (Tescos suppliers, I believe, among others(?)) which messed up the Lambda oxygen sensors of cars with cats and, obviously, electronic fuel metering. Some bright spark had disposed of chemical waste into the storage tank - extra income and no proper waste disposal charges for what was likely an otherwise toxic waste material - but it back-fired on them. Still goes on, just they are now more careful!

Someone on this forum worked for a company specialising in selling waste as fuel, I believe. Chlorinated hydrocarbons and other groups of chemicals, which if burned, in an unsatisfactory way would be likely to produce dioxins as an end product emitted to the atmosphere. All with government approval, of course.

Yep, it goes on in all sorts of ways and places.

Regards, RAB
 
We banned importation of China honey years ago due to the levels of antibiotics found in shipments.

Although there have been court cases(Scotland and Norfolk) of China honey being passed off as uk honey in the past.
Aye and honey was then imported in quantity from sources in the far East that had no history of honey production ????

John Wilkinson
 
The people in Norfolk who got done where importing cheap stuff and re-labelling it as Norfolk (?) Honey...
 
The people in Norfolk who got done where importing cheap stuff and re-labelling it as Norfolk (?) Honey...
NORFOLK HONEY SCAM
The jars of Norfolk honey, with their labels showing a colourful rustic scene and even the name of the producer, may have looked every inch the genuine article. But they contained an “adulterated” mix of cheaper honey from elsewhere, including Argentina and China, which was unwittingly sold by dozens of small businesses across the county, King's Lynn Crown Court heard today.

Prosecution counsel Miles Bennett said in a “deliberate and dishonest scam,” husband and wife William and Lynn Baker supplied customers with 17.7 tonnes of the falsely-named product between January 2001 and September 2003. Sales on 'honey runs' around greengrocers, butchers, post offices and other traders in Norfolk during that time had totalled nearly £70,000.
Their actions had only come to light when a beekeeper became suspicious and Norfolk County Council's trading standards department was alerted.

William Baker, 58, and Lynn Baker, 54, of Bury St Edmunds, have both pleaded not guilty to 12 counts of making a false description of food and 12 of obtaining property by deception.
Opening the prosecution case on 22 Nov, Mr Bennett said the charges related to transactions with customers on 12 days when the Bakers had visited Norfolk.

These represented a specimen of the deals made during any given day, while the 12 days singled out were specimens of the 'honey runs' taken in the investigation period.
Mr Bennett told the jury the counts involved the sale of honey to businesses in Old Buckenham, Cromer, Wells, Cawston, Dickleburgh, Bressingham, Hoveton, Ashwellthorpe, Ludham, Sheringham, Coltishall and Harleston.
“Unwittingly, all the people who sold this honey were themselves committing offences,” he said. “It put retailers at risk of prosecution and it undercut the genuine producers. The prosecution say these retailers, be it a post office or butcher's, would not have paid any money at all for this honey if the Bakers had indicated it had been mixed.”

Mr Bennett said trading standards officers began their inquiries after a beekeeper noticed the large volume of honey for sale which had apparently been produced by 'Smith' of Norwich - a producer he did not know.
During a search of the Bakers' home, the investigation team found “tub upon tub” of Argentinian honey, as well as buckets, boxes, jars and labels. Their “meticulous” records showed in 2001 they had sold 4.4 tonnes of ' Norfolk ' honey and bought 2.9 tonnes of Chinese honey and 3.5 tonnes of honey from elsewhere in England.

The following year they had sold 8.5 tonnes and bought 5.8 tonnes from Argentina and three tonnes of English honey, with a further five tonnes of Argentinian honey purchased in 2003, when they sold 4.8 tonnes of their own product. Entries in diaries referred to mixing and 'Chin' and 'Arg' honey.
Mr Bennett said tests on all but one sample of the honey seized revealed pollens which could not have originated in the UK - let alone Norfolk.

While it was accepted the Bakers had kept their own bees, they had none in Norfolk and could not have produced the amounts of honey in question. “In short, it was a scam and a quite deliberate and dishonest scam,” Mr Bennett said. “What it said on the label about it being Norfolk honey was simply false. “This was a cottage industry on a rather larger scale.”
 
From Admins post: tests on all but one sample of the honey seized revealed pollens which could not have originated in the UK - let alone Norfolk.

That bit alone shows how simple it was for forensics to find the evidence. The rest of the investigation was just to 'nail them securely to the floorboards'.

Regards, RAB
 
You included, quote: Amrican foul brood

Do you include stopping importation of honey too? I would say most AFB outbreaks are attributable to imported (contaminated) honey.
If most AFB outbreaks are attributable to imported honey then this begs the question as to how many beekeepers are importing honey to feed their bees? The problem i s with us now, whatever the origin, and our aim should be to contain and hopefully eradicate or at least manage it, sadly I think the latter.
 
Thats the problem....all these beekeepers importing honey to feed their bee's,most likely never heard of sugar syrup or fondant....okay,ready now......beam me up Scotty.
 
this begs the question as to how many beekeepers are importing honey to feed their bees?

You have a peculiar way of making suggestions. I would think there are none.

Even dishonest beekeepers are not that stupid.
 
this begs the question as to how many beekeepers are importing honey to feed their bees?

Its quite probable that you can only import stuff like this by the container load as this is often how China quotes on goods.

If any beeks are feeding their bees on imported honey it is probably from local supermarket.
 
Not stupid but lack of information can cause problems.
Last year an impatient new beekeeper put an open jar of honey inside his empty hive in an attempt to attract a swarm. I let him know his mistake and there doesn't appear to be any consequence in the vicinity. But our BKA (myself included) has to take some responsibility because we didn't make it clear enough in our training course.

I believe it also happened in Shropshire in 2009 and they weren't so lucky.
 
Hmm,interesting thread.

But!

Should I go ahead and collect the nucleus from Mike next year?:confused:
 
Hmm,interesting thread.
But!
Should I go ahead and collect the nucleus from Mike next year?:confused:

Only you can decide that but I would suggest yes. every trader has at least a few disgruntled customers and there do appear to be people on here who are pro his business from personal experience. try him once and if you dont like him, dont buy again.

the original poster got a nuc and then a replacement queen when the first one had issues. where is the problem there.

the original poster comments about varroa. what colony doesnt and this can be treated but who is to say they came with varroa or the infestation developed later on.

the original poster also comments on him selling foreign bees... so do lots of other people to. whether you agree with this is or not is an ethical opinion not an issue with quality of service or bees

I believe he was banned from this forum because he was advertising his company. I am sure some one else will confirm whether that is true or not but that doesnt make him a bad person/bee keeper/bee seller
 
I believe he was banned from this forum because he was advertising his company. I am sure some one else will confirm whether that is true or not but that doesnt make him a bad person/bee keeper/bee seller

Thats correct.

I liked the old bugger and have chatted with him on many occasions BUT and its a big but he simply refused to stop advertising his company so left me with no alternative.

It was a great shame as he was good with sharing his experience with other beekeepers on the forum.
 
'I liked the old bugger '

Me too.

He telephones me after I sent an email query about a nucleus, he was very chatty and helpfull even said good morning to me in Welsh. He was more than happy for me to bring an experienced beek with me to check over what he was supplying. Also,unlike some other suppliers he only asked for £30 deposit for a 5 frame nucleus not the full price as demanded by one character I contacted.

Don't know why I panicked but reading the initial posts to the thread did make me a little nervous. Thanks blackbrood for putting things into perspective for me.
 

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