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I have rather the opposite view to the more voluble forum users here.

Don't use Buckfasts, etc:
https://oxnatbees.wordpress.com/2017/02/16/angry-bees/

Not sure how that can apply to Buckfast really. Given that they are roughly 50% Amm anyway and the local British mongrels average 40ish% the remaining 50% of Buckfast is a mix as is the 60ish% of locals. Surely no bee is less likely to experience heterosis.
 
I have rather the opposite view to the more voluble forum users here.

Don't use Buckfasts, etc:
https://oxnatbees.wordpress.com/2017/02/16/angry-bees/

What that article basically says is that the local mongrels are useless when they mate with carefully selected stock and they should all be culled

:sunning:

My experience of local mongrels is they are swarmy and aggressive and need to be requeened ASAP. And they don't exist in feral form around us so they are not adapted to our weather nor are they varroa resistant.
 
What that article basically says is that the local mongrels are useless when they mate with carefully selected stock and they should all be culled

:sunning:

My experience of local mongrels is they are swarmy and aggressive and need to be requeened ASAP. And they don't exist in feral form around us so they are not adapted to our weather nor are they varroa resistant.

Trip Trap Trip Trap.......... look who is under the bridge !!

Nos da
 
I have rather the opposite view to the more voluble forum users here.

Don't use Buckfasts, etc:
https://oxnatbees.wordpress.com/2017/02/16/angry-bees/

That article about aggressiveness is totally drawn from sleave.


Honey bee is aggressive, because it defends its colony, brood and food stores.

In nature it is very good feature. it is must.

Non aggressive is a feature of human selection. It is based on gene error.

In crossings the gene error will be often healed and natural original features come out.

Practically selection of bees stárted when people started to use movable frames 100-150 years ago. Then they could shange the queen.

"Aggression seems to peak in the F2 generation and then fade rapidly away, probably because the imported genes are rapidly de-selected by local environmental pressures (and beekeepers)."

who can count what generation is going.

in F2 generation only 1/4 original genes are left and then Carniolan is not any more 25% Carniolan. It is 100% mongrel.

Who knows from where all those drones come and how aggressive are the drone families.

If one hive has 10% aggressive workers, they surely give to you a lecture.

70 000 bees in the colony and 10% is 7000 bees. It is almost one Langstroth box of bees.
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when 20 bees sting me during inspection, it is a limit. 6 980 are still waiting their turn.
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On another forum I've just posted links to some Youtube Videos - and then I remembered this thread, and thought some of you folks might like to view them too. Although I don't expect AMM advocates to be very interested ...

There's a set of three - unfortunately with a German narrator.
"Video for Bienen - Ein Volk und seine Königin"

Code:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K067_JWDMjM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHQTt17MAmI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygS8m20ROQ4

Hope you enjoy viewing them - those are the same bees that I now keep :)
LJ
 
LJ- what Bees are they as i ran the videos with auto translation but the text was all over the place. thanks

Carnies. (Carniolans)

I didn't know you could run videos with translation (guess who's still running Windows 98 ?) - live and learn.:)
LJ
 
I've watched a few German videos and found them interesting even though amm is my bee of choice. It's nice to see them totally unprotected, opening up too.
I like Carnica and their temperament, I like Ligustica probably a bit less but that's only colouration really, I just have a soft spot for our Black bees.
 
I've watched a few German videos and found them interesting even though amm is my bee of choice. It's nice to see them totally unprotected, opening up too.
I like Carnica and their temperament, I like Ligustica probably a bit less but that's only colouration really, I just have a soft spot for our Black bees.

:iagree:

I think the aggressive trait is in all bees ...selection over generations possibly turns this gene sequence? off.... but as soon a hybridisation occurs it returns!

All Apis mellifera subspecies have the ability to sting.

The IWF series of beekeeping and breeding videos are available in English and interesting to view.

Yeghes da
 
The IWF series of beekeeping and breeding videos are available in English and interesting to view.

Sure they're interesting - but the Skep Apiary videos made in 1978 are now part of history, as that skep operation no longer exists.

In contrast, the German links I posted are of a contemporary operation, with the videos being made in 2009, and the featured commercial operation is still going strong. Draw your own conclusions ...

Yasmin Zwinz has her own website: http://imkerei.zwinz.co.at/en/ and still gives lectures and offers courses etc.
LJ
 
Default IWF Videos
Hivemaker referred to the old IWF videos in another thread and I wondered how many people had seen them.

Here is a link to C1801 "Rearing of queen bees". Its in five parts due to the way Youtube splits up videos into manageable chunks

Part 1 of 5 https://youtu.be/8yN5qM2Et6w?list=PL...RXQ4T8yS5LgDt6
Part 2 of 5 https://youtu.be/huvRlpuQpTw?list=PL...RXQ4T8yS5LgDt6
Part 3 of 5 https://youtu.be/-DuL4ViHXxQ
Part 4 of 5 https://youtu.be/djR1nkCGbK0
Part 5 of 5 https://youtu.be/JX8gSkRHGts

Some of it is a little dated now but its still worth watching

From an old B+ posting when some it would seem were still throwing toys out of the pram!!

No idea if they work... but were most certainly not about skeppists in german heathlands

Myttin da
 

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