What did you do in the Apiary today?

[jenkinsbrynmair]

What he is saying is that you've been given the wrong - totally wrong recipe; regardless of where you obtained it.

 

[BeeBeeKa]

totally wrong recipe; regardless of where you obtained it.

Put it into your signature space. It tells a lot…

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

As my grandfather would say - 'put a donkey in, and a donkey comes out'

 

[Finman]

… I`m barking like a dog, yes?

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A cat is barking like a dog?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

A cat is barking like a dog?

easy - pour a gallon of petrol over it, light a match and.........................

WHOOOF!​

 

[BeeBeeKa]

As my grandfather would say - 'put a donkey in, and a donkey comes out'

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easy - pour a gallon of petrol over it, light a match and.........................[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]WHOOOF![/FONT][FONT=&quot]​

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[FONT=&quot]I see, your grandfather was a pretty successful donky breeder [/FONT]

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I think this particular donkey would have been fed to the hounds ages ago.

 

[Finman]

As my grandfather would say - 'put a donkey in, and a donkey comes out'

My grand father said:" What to do with ****, if I does not have a field".

And granny said:" If is better to be one day as an eagle than whole life as a sparrow"

 

[bpmurray]

Wow. What a storm in a cup of tea
Sugar content of the solvent I used is roughly 16% :
300+60+12=372
372 -100%
60 – X %
60x100/372 ~ 16%

You suggested 50%
Time that needed for my solvent to get 50% concentration during evaporation is just an extra time that the formula will work. So, what`s a problem?

You're entitled to your own opinion, but both FIBKA and the Irish Dept of agriculture have the same guidelines:

The recommended dosage of oxalic acid dihydrate for Northern Europe according to the European Group for Integrated Varroa Control, 2000 is 4.5% oxalic acid dihydrate in a sugar water solution (1:1 mixture).

Your recipe of 60g sugar in 300g water is 1:5, not 1:1. In other words, rather than 16% you should be at 50% as Finman says. The evaporation rate is irrelevant - that is absolutely outside your control. In fact, the temperature of your cluster varies between 17C and 34C, so even the bees are working against you. Furthermore, the suggestion is that the concentration should be 4.5%, which comes in at around 16g oxalic acid to the 360g liquid.

Have a look at https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/medi...rs/beekeepingandhoney/HoneybeePublication.pdf

 

[Millet]

- You are not wright, sweetheart.
- Am I. So, you saying I`m lying … I`m barking like a dog, yes? Mather!!! He called me a bitch!

What is Your back ground with bee's, I'm clueless personally and in my first season but some of what you type is dribble to me and goes against what i have read in book's and been advised by 100% knowledgeable members.

 

[Finman]

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I remember when Ireland took wrong concentarions from early papers.

Prof Nanetti used first 4.5%, but after couple of years according researches the group recommended 3.5%.

Switzerland started to use 2.8% but Italy uses 4.0%.

Canada took the percent from Switzerland couple years ago.

Usual Formula is 100 g water+ 100 g Sugar + 7.5 g OA.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

What is Your back ground with bee's,

Got his basic certificate.................... on the planet Zog (a small place just West of wibble)

 

[Millet]

Got his basic certificate.................... on the planet Zog (a small place just West of wibble)

Is his real name Finman's gimp boy.

 

[Finman]

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I looked the Irish varroa paper. IT was said there that, 4.5% is from year 2000, when EU group was worked 1 year.

Why they have not corrected that point?

 

[BeeBeeKa]

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I think this particular donkey would have been fed to the hounds ages ago.

I`m sure, all your ancestors have humanitarian background somewhere…veeeery dip inside [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Prof Nanetti used first 4.5%, but after couple of years according researches the group recommended 3.5%.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Switzerland started to use 2.8% but Italy uses 4.0%.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Canada took the percent from Switzerland couple years ago.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Usual Formula is 100 g water+ 100 g Sugar + 7.5 g OA.

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[FONT=&quot]The main thing is: it all worked.[/FONT]

What is Your back ground with bee's, I'm clueless personally and in my first season but some of what you type is dribble to me and goes against what i have read in book's and been advised by 100% knowledgeable members.

And they do not contradict to each other? [FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[Finman]

[FONT=&quot]The main thing is: it all worked.[/FONT]

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Of course they worked because expert guys did hard research during 6 years. The numbers did not come from heaven. 3% water spray had been used earlier without sugar.

Question about different percents means distance to safe limits of acid.

But essential is that Sugar content had a big meaning in efficacy. 30% Sugar worked quite poorly compared to 50%.

96% efficacy and 92% efficacy has too a meaning.

8% alive mites is double compared to 4%.

80% efficacy means that 20% of mites stay alive. It is 5 times more than 4%.

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[Finman]

A sad day indeed.

Hivemaker has a short memory.

I remember, when I started in British forum, when guys wrote that on December they pull frame by frame the bee frame from hive and sprayed 3% oxalic water solution on each side of occupied frame.



Couple days ago I found a recipe how to do that in the temp of 5C.
In USA they have done this over 10 years ago. Treating package bees has been standard prodecure.

Cushman pages tell more.

Oxalic fumigation has been known at least 20 years. Not very popular.
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[bpmurray]

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I looked the Irish varroa paper. IT was said there that, 4.5% is from year 2000, when EU group was worked 1 year.

Why they have not corrected that point?

Yes, it's an old paper. Unfortunately, the current FIBKA advice also says 4.5%. Both of these sources refer to it as not yet approved, but I know that api-bioxal is available for use now.

 

[Finman]

Yes, it's an old paper. Unfortunately, the current FIBKA advice also says 4.5%. Both of these sources refer to it as not yet approved, but I know that api-bioxal is available for use now.

There is dusty sugar there and a hive in sunny position.

That paper has too much fantasy.

And a hive should be allways in sunny place.
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[BeeBeeKa]

There is dusty dugar there and a hive in sunny position.

That paper has too much fantasy.

And a hive should be allways in sunny place.
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[FONT=&quot]“Bees in wood does not do any good”[/FONT]