Wealds Farm

[Monsieur Abeille]

Still advertising on Google

 

[psafloyd]

Still advertising on Google

Probably paid for a period ofmtime and hasn't lapsed, yet.

 

[thurrock bees]

He is on Facebook now and not a good word said about him !



http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=151300941566031&ref=ts#!/group.php?gid=151300941566031

 

[greatbritishhoney]

He is on Facebook now and not a good word said about him !



http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=151300941566031&ref=ts#!/group.php?gid=151300941566031

He's deleted a lot of the negative posts. I remember having a look at his page a few months ago and there were more negative posts than this.

 

[drstitson]

'He's deleted a lot of the negative posts"

obviously in one of the rare moments he can access the internet!!!

 

[MuswellMetro]

would the Seasonal bee inspector have the power to stop him selling bee related equipment

just wondering if that is the reason for the lack of items for sale in his web shop, in that bee related items such as hives could be covered by the standstill order ( i assume that must have been extended as Epping again appears in the august EFB report)

 

[theengraver]

They can`t stop you selling empty hives and smokers etc:
But you have to have them to sell them in the first place !!

 

[Nightynight]

moan about it.. but what do we do about it

shouldn't the BBKA & others keep a list of 'approved' suppliers and a list of the name & shame squad, other industries have an approval process, red tractor etc. why can't commerical bee keeping?

I know someone will say its impossible to do, but considering its in all our interests to try and contain efb/afb etc. we as beeks should push for this within our own areas..grass roots!

secondly the bee keeping publishers/bee shows should shun such charlatans and refuse to advertise them.. if they don't.. don't buy it and tell them why

 

[porterswoods]

The red tractor scheme is for consumers shopping in the supermarket. It ensures that the product has been produced to the highest standards.

The farmers in that scheme can buy what they want from where ever they want, even cattle from unapproved farms. It would be the same for beekeepers.

 

[psafloyd]

shouldn't the BBKA & others keep a list of 'approved' suppliers and a list of the name & shame squad, other industries have an approval process, red tractor etc.

Given the BBKA's choice of bedfellows for the sponsorship of the society, what confidence would younhave in such a list?

In any case, endorsement is very dangerous and would leave the BBKA open to litigation on Amy number of fronts, not least it's members.

As for advertising, if you see a misleading advert, you should report it to the ASA. They can then deal with it.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

shouldn't the BBKA & others keep a list of 'approved' suppliers and a list of the name & shame squad, other industries have an approval process, red tractor etc.

Could have a special red tractor for William - towing a trailer full of Bulls**t

 

[Nightynight]

The red tractor scheme is for consumers shopping in the supermarket. It ensures that the product has been produced to the highest standards.

The farmers in that scheme can buy what they want from where ever they want, even cattle from unapproved farms. It would be the same for beekeepers.

Given the BBKA's choice of bedfellows for the sponsorship of the society, what confidence would younhave in such a list?

In any case, endorsement is very dangerous and would leave the BBKA open to litigation on Amy number of fronts, not least it's members.

As for advertising, if you see a misleading advert, you should report it to the ASA. They can then deal with it.

{sigh} okay how about a name & shame list?

 

[porterswoods]

A public name and shame list will only work if the publisher, of the list, has watertight evidence to support someones name being on the list.

If they haven't then they will open themselves up for prosecution. Remember in defamtion cases the defendant is guilty until proven not guilty. Given that it is extremly hard to get that sort of evidence i don't think it will ever happen.

 

[Nose Ma]

A public name and shame list will only work if the publisher, of the list, has watertight evidence to support someones name being on the list.

If they haven't then they will open themselves up for prosecution. Remember in defamtion cases the defendant is guilty until proven not guilty. Given that it is extremly hard to get that sort of evidence i don't think it will ever happen.

I agree with the sentiment, but it's a little wrong on the defamation bit.

Defamation is a tort, not a crime (a tort is a sort of civil wrong doing) so you are not found "guilty" or not. In criminal cases (murder, for example) the defendant has to be found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. The CPS claims guilt, it must prove it.
With torts (such as defamation) you have to prove your case "on a balance of probabilities". That is a much, much lower burden of proof.

There are two bits to defamation - first of all the alleged defamer (the defendant) has to show his statement was true. That is the apparent reversal, but remember he made the claim about the other party, so he has to prove his claim.

BUT in order to get compensation the person who thinks they have been defamed has to show that the person defaming them did so with at least negligence (or malice for punitive damages).

So both parties have to prove something. In a manner of speaking.

Hope that helps.

NM

 

[porterswoods]

I was trying to put it into words, but i'm not great at it. Nose Ma has explained it a great deal better than me.

As i understand it to claim compensation it also has to have affected your reputation within your community or affected your trading reputation. In other words you have had to actually lose out so to speak.

I was just pointing out that a public name and shame list would have to be backed up with watertight evidence otherwise the publisher of that content could find themselves in trouble. To get it from third parties makes that job harder.

Imagine the following scenario:
1. The BBKA publishes a name on the list
2. The person then asks why it is on the list
3. The BBKA tells them
4. The person disagrees, by whichtime their sales have plummeted.
5. The person takes the BBKA to court.
6. The BBKA has the evidence to prove it was right or it doesn't and has to pay compensation.

The BBKA, or anyone else for that matter, are not going to want to administer that sort of list. I wouldn't and that is why I think it will never work.

 

[madasafish]

An Approved Supplier list would be much easier..

 

[Tom Bick]

And who would approve it

 

[TBRNoTB]

Could have a special red tractor for William - towing a trailer full of Bulls**t

We will have to see Rab for that

 

[Stiffy]

"And who would approve it"

Bayer

Sorry, couldnt resist!

 

[MandF]

And who would approve it

There could be a beekeepingforum.co.uk approved suppliers list.