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British standard wired (brood) £4. 00 pack of 10 sheets
British standard wired shallow (super) £2.80 pack of 10 sheets

We sell all kinds of foundation and frames at discount prices for our members the above 2 are just examples to show you how cheep the wax can be if its not bought direct from the big boys.
 
The cost time wise would be far too much for me... It would have to make 100 sheets an hr to be worth it for me. Thanks for sharing the video though, it was fun to watch and I am sure would make a great pass time for somebody who had nothing better to do.
 
Hi Winker,
These are the lowest prices I ever heard of, congratulations, excellent job of your association but there was always 'economy' foundation at lower prices available from the suppliers and just that was the reason why we started to make our own.
Our concern was not that much the cost of wax but the quality and purity of the material offered to the bees. It's nice if you can tell your customers that the honey comes from 100% pure bees-wax cells free of chemicals and varroa treatment residues. Foundation made from Chinese wax has been found to contain up to 30% paraffin, big scandal in Germany last year...
Of course we started our beekeeping buying cheap foundation like almost everybody else, but noticed after some time that the bees did not always like it, we tried the more expensive certified residue tested bio-wax and found that it was drawn out quicker and with regular hexagonal cells even in the corners of the frame.
This African (!) bio-wax is still in circulation mixed with our Irish wax after more than 20 years. We sort out and melt lots of frames every year to keep the bees happy and let them not only produce the wax but give them a chance to make use of it. I hate to see thick layers of wax scales produced by young bees dropped down onto the insert under the mesh floor.
So if you have enough bees producing enough wax and if you have a steam wax-melter and a method and more equipment and enough time to melt and clear the wax then you can turn wax-blocks into stacks of sheets of unwired foundation which takes one minute per sheet. Next if you have enough beeks around you keeping Buckfast bees in Dadant hives using permanently wired frames then you will find that there is a demand for your handcrafted unwired Dadant brood foundation which you can sell for €2.00 per sheet because the beeks know that it takes them only one minute to fit the foundation into the frame.

Reiner
 
Hello Hivemaker,
Thanks a million for editing my post from: Yesterday, 11:19 PM
(I found the reason why I couldn't add the link myself in the meantime, should have studied the FAQ section at an earlier point)

Reiner
 
Hi Winker,
These are the lowest prices I ever heard of, congratulations, excellent job of your association but there was always 'economy' foundation at lower prices available from the suppliers and just that was the reason why we started to make our own.
Our concern was not that much the cost of wax but the quality and purity of the material offered to the bees. It's nice if you can tell your customers that the honey comes from 100% pure bees-wax cells free of chemicals and varroa treatment residues. Foundation made from Chinese wax has been found to contain up to 30% paraffin, big scandal in Germany last year...
Of course we started our beekeeping buying cheap foundation like almost everybody else, but noticed after some time that the bees did not always like it, we tried the more expensive certified residue tested bio-wax and found that it was drawn out quicker and with regular hexagonal cells even in the corners of the frame.
This African (!) bio-wax is still in circulation mixed with our Irish wax after more than 20 years. We sort out and melt lots of frames every year to keep the bees happy and let them not only produce the wax but give them a chance to make use of it. I hate to see thick layers of wax scales produced by young bees dropped down onto the insert under the mesh floor.
So if you have enough bees producing enough wax and if you have a steam wax-melter and a method and more equipment and enough time to melt and clear the wax then you can turn wax-blocks into stacks of sheets of unwired foundation which takes one minute per sheet. Next if you have enough beeks around you keeping Buckfast bees in Dadant hives using permanently wired frames then you will find that there is a demand for your handcrafted unwired Dadant brood foundation which you can sell for €2.00 per sheet because the beeks know that it takes them only one minute to fit the foundation into the frame.

Reiner


I get all our wax we sell from Tho*ns, we get a dammed good price as we trade in around 1000lb of clean wax to them each year. So its not cheep imported stuff we sell our members, its the standard Tho*ns stuff
 
I get all our wax we sell from Tho*ns, we get a dammed good price as we trade in around 1000lb of clean wax to them each year. So its not cheep imported stuff we sell our members, its the standard Tho*ns stuff
Roughly how much wax can you expect a hive to produce per year? Is your 1000lb/yr the product of 200, 600 or 1000 hives?
 
An interesting device, made something similar to this with silicone rubber and works very nicely, drawback is the brittle nature of the wax sheet when it cools down and the thickness of the sheet....I'm sticking to rollers.
 
I get all our wax we sell from Tho*ns, we get a dammed good price as we trade in around 1000lb of clean wax to them each year. So its not cheep imported stuff we sell our members, its the standard Tho*ns stuff

Hi Winker,

1000lb of clean wax traded in is clearly a different league and too much for a single beekeeper with a foundation press.
[Would have liked to add a smiley here, but currently 9 posts not enough]
The paraffin contaminated wax in Germany I mentioned was imported in the range of 10 tons, yes, but was not sold as cheap foundation or at a remarkably low price, hence the scandal.

Reiner
Did you ever consider to have a sample of your wax tested?
 
Roughly how much wax can you expect a hive to produce per year? Is your 1000lb/yr the product of 200, 600 or 1000 hives?

300 members, god knows how many hives. 3 of which are bee farmers and have 150+ hives
 
Hi Winker,

1000lb of clean wax traded in is clearly a different league and too much for a single beekeeper with a foundation press.
[Would have liked to add a smiley here, but currently 9 posts not enough]
The paraffin contaminated wax in Germany I mentioned was imported in the range of 10 tons, yes, but was not sold as cheap foundation or at a remarkably low price, hence the scandal.

Reiner
Did you ever consider to have a sample of your wax tested?

Yeah I agree, too much for a single person to press. I was just saying that the price we get it for would make it hard to justify that nice new press you just bought. I would love to own one and have the time to make my own wax, but if you own anymore than 10 hives i guess it would be a task to press your own wax every year.
 
I used to have a Swienty silicon mould which did the same thing but lacked the metal frame of the one shown in the video. You just rolled the top back, poured in the wax and then squidged the lid back down and I used to press it with a bit of thick plywood to make sure it was flat. It was best to work quickly at this stage to get a thin sheet. There was no air cooler but it seemed to work about as fast as the one in the video. I never used any sort of spray - the wax didn't stick to the silicon.

Main problems were:

Slowness, but for small numbers of sheets this was fine.
Sheets were very brittle when cold so you had to ensure they were warm before trying to mount them in frames.
Wax temperature influenced the thickness of the sheet a lot - the hotter the thinner. Some sheets I made were very thick which was wasteful of wax but the bees no doubt found this not a problem - free wax ladies!
No good for sections but these could be done with a starter strip instead.
Only made one size (LS Brood) so the sheets had to be cut for supers and the off-cuts re-melted.
I used mine in pre-wired frames so have no experience of how difficult or otherwise it would be to embed wires in them for use with the sort of frame more commonly used by smaller scale beekeepers in the UK.
Not cheap, mine was about 150 euros IIRC.

So all in all it did what was expected but would not be suitable for a large scale operation.

It is possible to make your own mould - there is a video somewhere showing how it is done. The silicon can be purchased* and with a bit of plastic foundation as a former a workable mould can be produced. Probably not pretty results but a fraction of the cost I guess.

* for example: http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/3007...ixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&adtype=pla&crdt=0
 
I keep reading all the posts that say that it would be to much work for one person to do but i don't see that, if i could make 200 sheets a day over the winter when i have nothing better to do i should achieve my goal. I change three frames in every hive each year =750 sheets then i make increase so i should have to make around 3000 to 3500 sheets.

i asked the suplier about the wax being brittal and he said that you have adjusters to make the sheets thinner or thicker and i shouldn't have a problem. I HOPE
 
Cast wax is usually more brittle than rolled, but if it is used in a warm place it makes little difference, i have three of the old Herring presses and one similar to the ones in this thread,not used them for many years, although i did quite enjoy making the foundation at one time, good to be using your own wax for foundation.


This lot are moving quite fast with a simple embossed roller.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17nI614RMI0&NR=1&feature=endscreen[/ame]



And these guys look to be enjoying themselves.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmEzpWAP5R0[/ame]
 
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Beecrazy,
I would never criticise anyone for buying an expensive toy (I've been guilty myself), but by your math you'll be spending 15+ solid days moulding foundation. I think you will look back on your days of boredom with nostalgia!
 
...that nice new press you just bought.....I would love to own one......but if you own anymore than 10 hives.....

Hi Winker,
It is "Bee Crazy" who bought a nice new press, the one that I use is over twenty years old and has produced thousands of Dadant foundations from the wax of up to 50 colonies...
For bigger colony numbers you should operate two machines alternating side by side. We visited STEELE & BRODIE in the early 1990s and in their workshop we observed two employees simultaneously using four foundation presses of a very simple design.

Reiner

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Beecrazy,
I would never criticise anyone for buying an expensive toy (I've been guilty myself), but by your math you'll be spending 15+ solid days moulding foundation. I think you will look back on your days of boredom with nostalgia!

WOOHOO my 100th post

LOL i think you might be right but I wouldn't call it a toy, i would call a brand new shotgun a toy.

the way i look at it i could either be making wax or watching Eastenders or whatever other rubbish is on the devil box and it gives me a reason to escape to the shed.

My wife say's i have grown in to ADHD and i can't sit still anyway so i will be out of her way.
 
hi bee crazy
just an idea buy some candle molds and whilst wax is melted pour wax into mold one sheet one candle a time use candle to offset what it cost for machine nice machine
 
Hi Winker,
It is "Bee Crazy" who bought a nice new press, the one that I use is over twenty years old and has produced thousands of Dadant foundations from the wax of up to 50 colonies...
For bigger colony numbers you should operate two machines alternating side by side. We visited STEELE & BRODIE in the early 1990s and in their workshop we observed two employees simultaneously using four foundation presses of a very simple design.

My bad, I often get confused who im talking to. Sign of old age...
 

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