Very bad temperament Bees!!

[Finman]

Bees are most definitely NOT the same everywhere!

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They surely are. They have big variation everywhere. You may nurse them with same principles where ever you go: Australia, Argentina, Canada, Finland, Russia, Turkey.

They give stings, they swarm, they have same diseases, same honey
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You may have mad strain of Italian bee or very calm.

I can arrange to you a Carniolan strain, which give to you 20 stings/hive. A pure blooded stinger.

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[B+.]

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Yes. How many has pure bees? If somebody has, he does not need to ask on forum, what to do with angry hives.

Nornal beekeepers have mongrel bees and they multiply their swarmimg hives and their emergency queens. That all is far from bee breeding and selecting.

I agree: MOST beekeepers have mongrel bees but you made a generalisation and it was this that I disagreed with
Originally Posted by Finman View Post
It does not help . Bees are same everywhere.

 

[Finman]

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Yes, it came from "eliminate environmental factors" . How, moving hives elsewhere?. Bad hives sting where ever they are. It is their basic nature. It protects its hive.

 

[B+.]

. It is their basic nature. It protects its hive.

You are missing my point. It doesn't have to be that way. I used to think it was normal for bees to fly up off the comb at you because it is all I had seen. For many years I accepted that because I didn't know any better. When I saw German beekeepers managing colonies without so much as a veil, I knew I had to do something different.

There is a saying: If you keep on doing what you always did, you'll always get what you always got.

Now I work differently. I have bees that, as the Germans say "stick to the comb like fur on an animal". It was this vision of something better that I was trying to illustrate. To deny this is to deny the possibility of improvement.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Now I work differently.

So you no longer wear a veil, much more comfortable isn't it, not having to be dressed up like a spaceman on warm humid days.

 

[Finman]

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Don't under estimate my experience or my genetic studies in university.

I have had the most calm bees 45 years ago. They were Caucasian race. But finally, they were big lazy hives.

I have had 10 years Carniolan bees too. Queens were all imported from Slovakia and from Austria. But too strong to swarm.

I know here a Italian bee stock, which does not need smoke or weils.
But it has too much inbreeding. Small colonies.

I like Italians which are able to carry 150 kg honey from good pastures. It needs 6-8 boxes/hive.

If one hive gives to me 20 stings per inspection, then I become more angry than bees. I change the queen.

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[B+.]

So you no longer wear a veil, much more comfortable isn't it, not having to be dressed up like a spaceman on warm humid days.

So long as I don't have to go "commando"

 

[Finman]

To deny this is to deny the possibility of improvement.

Improvement after 50 years?
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Yes, I should protect my poly hives against woodpeckers, or to kill woodpeckers.

Ok. Queen breeding is continuous fighting against dropping to the level of average.

Continuous improvement is 3 steps forward, and 2 steps back.
In average yield numbers it is 80...100...110 kg then. 70.. 50...80kg... But ever never 15 kg.

 

[B+.]

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Don't under estimate my experience or my genetic studies in university.
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If one hive gives to me 20 stings per inspection, then I become more angry than bees. I change the queen.

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I certainly did not intend to doubt your experience. I agree with much of what you say. It was only your generalisation that I disagreed with. All bees are not the same. You illustrate this very well by saying you change the queen if it is aggressive.

 

[Finman]

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OK. You won.

(i got last words)

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

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Don't under estimate my experience or my genetic studies in university.

That's the ne thing i like about you Finny - your breathtaking unassuming modesty.

Don't hide your light under a busshel man!

 

[Finman]

What to do with angry hive.
Keep spare queens and change the queen.

Modesty has never been one of my virtues

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Modesty has never been one of my virtues

you surprise me

 

[B+.]

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Don't under estimate my experience or my genetic studies in university.
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What are your qualifications ?

 

[Finman]

What are your qualifications ?

Zoology, main studies in plant physiology, chemistry, geography, genetics.
All books as English. I was going to be biology teacher. Now I am 68 y.

More than normal beekeeper understand about biology. At least I understand what I read. Basic knowledge you see.
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[B+.]

Zoology, main studies in plant physiology, chemistry, geography, genetics.
All books as English. I was going to be biology teacher. Now I am 68 y.

More than normal beekeeper understand about biology. At least I understand what I read. Basic knowledge you see.
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Good for you. I assume that you mean a joint honours degree as geography doesn't really fit the science teacher profile.
My wife did her B.Sc in Applied Sciences then a M.Sc in Medicinal Chemistry and worked for 17 years in pharmaceuticals (with GSK) before qualifying to teach (which she has done for 10 years). Interestingly, our 16 year old son who is studying A'level Chemistry and Biology went on a visit to a local university recently to see what studying a Biology degree would be like. They did some DNA sequencing work that my wife didn't even do on her masters degree. The field is changing so fast that everything becomes obsolete so quickly.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Good for you. I assume that you mean a joint honours degree as geography doesn't really fit the science teacher profile.

Well, he had to find his way to the classroom

 

[Finman]

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In Finland we have biology and geography together in teacher education.

And what it was teached in university: To search reliable information.

How to find consensus among first year beekeepers. That was not teached, how find nonsense.

Geography teached me to know that British Isles have different climate. Heureka!!

And it is 20 miles to Europe (oversees) from England.

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[B+.]

Well, he had to find his way to the classroom

I think European degrees are broader based than ours. I had an Egyptian friend who was denied access to the degree course because they wouldn't accept she had studied at a high enough level. English universities are very snobby. If you don't have what they consider a suitable background, they won't even let you try to take the course

 

[For want of a better word]

. English universities are very snobby


Thought that was Oxford and Cambridge University!

All the rest are merely pollytechniks with overblown ideas!



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