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BA = It's all so long ago! I think I put them in as soon as taking off the last honey super and removed them about 2 months later - before putting the insulation on and the matchsticks under the crownboard........that was many years before getting an OMF!
 
Beano - as I said before I am here to Learn and have a thick skin - glad this thread has been of use .
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Some results after apistan treatment: at intervals 22 Hrs./ 44 Hrs / 68 Hrs

Hive 1 37 / 0 / 0
Hive 2 830 / 178 / 161

Both got strips in.
Interestingly: from the Vita site a rule of thumb test for resistant mites:-

Rule of thumb test

Place an Apistan strip in a colony. If after 24 hours there is a mite drop rate in the hundreds, Apistan’s active ingredient will be having a sufficient effect to enable its use for that season. Of course you need to be sure that the mite drop is not being removed by bees or other creatures before you retrieve it and the assumption is that your bees have a significant population of varroa in the first place.

So I'm leaving the strips in for a month and will still do OA in late december/January.
Previous reply re temp going from 16°C to 22°C after Apivar and 1500 drop - I would consider 22 still a bad sign of a very small colony that will probably not get through the winter. I am doubtful about my H2 colony but will keep fingers crossed and plenty of fondant when and if they need it.
Seems I have started a useful thread that is bringing lots of comment and advice which just goes to show the power and benefit of this great forum (ignore the backbiters and carry on! )
regards everyone and thanks again for all your positive, constructive comments - I wish I spoke finnish, Finman but always read and respect your posts. Thanks also to all you other supportive posters for a Newbee - you know who you are and I really appreciate you taking the time to reply.
Cheers
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So I'm leaving the strips in for a month

Please! do as the instructions say. Six weeks is the requirement. Otherwise some mites may not be extinguished (and become resistant) and any longer is worse as the strips will be getting less effective and any residual mites will be living with a sub-lethal dose (a sure-fire way to encourage resistance). The idi ots that speeded up the problem of resistant mites are clearly still around and have not really learned much. I suggest you take their advice for what it is worth - not a great deal.

At the time of mite resistance I was really hissed off - one beek who kept bees in the same location as some of mine was one of those that left the strips on all winter!

Also glad it is working OK - so much for the nay-sayers.

I think you may now have got the message re mite control - inaction only leads to a bigger problem! And follow those instructions.

Regards, RAB
 
Oh you are such a pedant Ollie! I meant to say for the prescribed period but I stand corrected. I totally agree with following the instructions and do know the consequences of not doing so thereby encouraging resistance.
Please note everyone on this forum. Reread your posts before you submit and be confident on what you are saying. Guilty as tried:sorry:
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do know the consequences of not doing so thereby encouraging resistance.
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That resistancy has bee 15 years allready all over the world.
Why bother "obey orders". Same nonsence like oxalic was against British law 5 years ago.

Mind a gap!!!
 
Oh you are such a pedant Ollie!

Not at all.

I meant to say for the prescribed period

But you didn't, did you? There lies the problem - severely in your court, not mine. So don't try to blame me for your ommissions/mistakes/gung-ho attitude or whatever. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

The other poster was of similar ilk - back-pedalling from I remember Bayvarol being launched in the UK c '97 and it worked a treat = two strips left in the BB over winter. It was only after it was withdrawn to the later claimed and removed them about 2 months later which was little better than the previous post as it still demonstrated a complete and irresponsible inadherence to the instructions from the manufacturer (with the likes of that going on, little wonder our bees have suffered the consequences caused by the few(?) who either didn't know, didn't care or couldn't be bothered to find out).

You potentially told the whole world you were going to ignore the instructions, just like the other poster that left them in all winter. That is just the problem of where resistant mites arise from and the previous behaviour accelerated that problem - that should go uncorrected? I think not.

I am not particularly in favour of your syle - blame me first, then apologise later.

Finman is no better. Apistan, (only) used in the right circumstances, is still a good fall-back when other treatments are ineffective, as in this case. Finman's attitude reduces that chance of a satisfactory outcome and is reprehensible from a supposed respected beek.
 
Oh you are such a pedant Ollie!



I am not particularly in favour of your syle - blame me first, then apologise later.

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Lighten up RAB.

1) I did not blame you for anything other than saying you are a stickler for the rule.
2) I replied with correction as soon as I read your post
3) I apologised for potentially misleading the forum

and if you don't like my style then sorry but that's the way I write.
No offence has ever been meant so please do not read me the wrong way.
I only post to learn or share experiences where I think it may benefit others and I believe this thread has been of use to other members on the forum (judging by PM's I have received)

regards
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Pete Nicholson; I only post to learn or share experiences where I think it may benefit others and I believe this thread has been of use to other members on the forum (judging by PM's I have received) regards P.[/QUOTE said:
I only post because I'm bored, have no friends and I like to wind people up:D
 
Oh you are such a pedant Ollie!

Finman is no better.

Apistan, (only) used in the right circumstances, is still a good fall-back when other treatments are ineffective, as in this case. Finman's attitude reduces that chance of a satisfactory outcome and is reprehensible from a supposed respected beek.

RIGHT!

(you cannot win #### person in debate)

Oliver, do you mind scheck what millenium is now...

Who said that 50% mite fall is good...It tells about what?
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Now I ask,

1) what is so difficult in varroa treatment that we must start the issue from very beginning every month. And the same guys are debating further more.

I have had varroa 30 years. Am I able to learn something in this time. Should I?

2) New varroa treatment methods have not appeared during last 10 years.
Is it so difficult to learn them that they does not sink into everybody's head?

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3) Amen!
 
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