Travellers/Gypsies

[Barbarian]

A planning application has been submitted for some traveller caravans to be placed next door to where I use an out apiary.

Any thoughts, comments, ?

 

[Hivemaker.]

Any thoughts, comments, ?

Try and ensure no one gets stung by adding some kind of screening if needed and keep nice tempered bees.

 

[joshcowin]

The thing is although a lot gypsies aren’t bad at all there are a select few who with think no more about kicking/throwing stones at your hives. If you can move then that’s the best option because a) it’s safer for the bee’s b) you don’t want people Getting stung

 

[Stiffy]

Try and ensure no one gets stung by adding some kind of screening if needed and keep nice tempered bees.

Although not all by any means, its the so called ‘travellers’ I have found cause problems not gypsies.
S

 

[Bakerbee]

I think id go introduce myself with a jar or two of honey. Friendliness goes a long way.

 

[Murox]

Is the landowner aware that s/he is trying to site people in such close proximity to an apiary??

 

[Johnnifer]

Make sure the planning committee is aware the site is immediately next to an apiary. Supply drawings or rough sketches showing details of distances between boundaries, location of hives, number of hives, number of bees, flight paths etc.

 

[Ian123]

Why would any planning officer/committee want to know the location of hives it has no relevance what so ever

 

[For want of a better word]

I have an apiary sited in a field next to a "travellers" site... I have to use the green lane for access to the bees... I have never had any problem, kids usually ask a lot of questions and have a deep respect for nature and their environment. They come and go but Gramps... seems to have been in his static van for a century.... keeps them, and the site all in order,... loves a bit of fresh comb!
Respect their chosen life style and you will have some good friends and your bees will be safe.

Chons da

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Why would any planning officer/committee want to know the location of hives it has no relevance what so ever

Unless the OP has planning consent and at least a leasehold on the apiary

 

[birdsandbees]

I think there must be a wide variation in the nature of Travellers in this country, all the ones around here are nothing but trouble!
as soon as a group turn up in this area Fly tipping and theft go through the roof!
the last ones that arrived close to work ended up with two vans having the Catalytic converters stolen and one of the trucks had an Axe through the fuel tank and the fuel syphoned out all within a couple of days of their arrival, funnily enough crime like this hardly ever happens but it always coincides with the travellers arrival and stops when they go away again.
not to mention the piles of hedge cuttings and rubbish they leave behind.

I have no issue with Gypsies, we have a few in the area, they graze their horses on the verges, have their little camp fires and when they leave more often than not they clean up and leave their rubbish in a couple of bags for the council to pick up.

to me that's a lifestyle, travellers on the other hand are just tax dodgers that laugh at the rest of us calling us Gorgers (meaning we just eat up the laws and taxes that the government give out)

I guess there's a few good ones but I've yet to see any in this area

I would think your hives will be okay though unless someone tells them they have a good value.

 

[Swarm]

I can think of two sites that are simply no go areas and mirror the comments above.
It all depends which sort turn up.

 

[Funny honey]

How long they staying for? A site near Truro bought their hives with them! Although they were there for years

 

[Johnnifer]

Why would any planning officer/committee want to know the location of hives it has no relevance what so ever

Maybe an assumption on my part but I'm assuming that the planning application has been submitted because 'a change of use' is required.

Therefore the details of distances between boundaries, location of hives, number of hives, number of bees, flight paths etc will assist the planning officer or planning committee to assess the suitability of the land in line with the planning application.

 

[Ian123]

The fact theres 3-4 hives on site next door to a planning app just will not raise an eye brow or will it form any part of the decision making process of the committee and indeed why should it...More to the point should the op even raise this as an objection then the likelyhood of the hives surviving the next 48hrs after would indeed be remote. Planning apps are decided on the basis of legal/gov requirements, and not on a moral basis. 1 reason why on appeal such decisions are sent direct to gov deparment and taken out of the hands of local councils....

 

[Millet]

I can think of two sites that are simply no go areas and mirror the comments above.
It all depends which sort turn up.

Loads of them around me and i would not trust any of them.. i have seen dogs stolen/ lead flashing stolen/ diesel and the list goes on as soon as a make **** traveler site appears.. worst of all is walking the pooch and being followed by them to find out where you live..and the rubbish they leave behind and the excrement in hedges that the pooch has rolled in before today and come out covered in stinking brown stuff full of sweet corn.. all i can say is i have never met a honest traveler yet and i know a few... it is ingrained into them to make money no matter who they fleece/ rip of or steal from.

 

[alfazer]

I remember hearing about a community of them who set up camp over the fence from a hive of bees in a farmer's field. They tied their dog to the hive stand, the dog bolted and pulled the whole lot over. Dog suffered mass stings/trauma and was put to sleep. A sizeable four figure sum was the result.

I would tend to agree with Millet's ^ general consensus and would be getting my bees well away from there.

 

[Popparand]

Sadly there are very itinerant communities that behave in an acceptable way. That's why they move on - to get away from the sh*t they leave behind.

I would have to agree with previous negative posts. Anything moveable of value they will steal. Anything non-movable they will smash trying to streal it.

Sad but true.

 

[deemann1]

I would move them ,the old generation travellers were nice folk but the travellers of today are nothing but trouble...

 

[Stedic]

In the interests of a bit of balance...

Having only met members of the community in my professional capacity, I have always found them, without exception, to be more respectful and helpful than any other group I meet. It is always a little fraught at first BUT I’ve come to recognise people process situations differently.

As for the hives, I’d treat them like any other human beings moving in next door. A jar of honey, a friendly warning not to kick them etc. Show these people the same respect as you would if two pensioners moved in next door.