Swarm Control - clipping wings

[buzz]

You need to learn to read properly. Nowhere have I stated inspections MUST be done at 6 day intervals.
I have presented reasons why 7 day inspections are the wrong time interval.
If you cannot understand that it only takes 6 days from egg hatching to capped queen cell and swarm long gone and that this 6 day time interval does not = 7 days then gawd help us.

Beefriendly. You are a politician and I claim my £5!

You state:

1. "Nowhere have I stated that inspections MUST be done at 6-day intervals"....except in your posst 29, 34,37 and 43 which all refer to 6 day inspections and 7-day inspections being FAR too late.

2. "If you cannot understand that it only takes 6 days from egg hatching to capped queen cell and swarm long gone and that this 6 day time interval does not = 7 days then gawd help us"..... I understand this 6 days hatching to capped time perfectly. I also know that queens lay 'unhatched' eggs that take 2-3 days to hatch. My calculator tells me that egg and larval phases together last 8-9 days.
You are free to inspect your bees as often as you like, just don't tell people that "7 day inspections are the wrong time interval", when your reasoning for this seems shakey or based only on your difficultly in seeing eggs (but not newly hatched larvae?) in queen cups.

 

[Finman]

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I have presented reasons why 7 day inspections are the wrong time interval.
If you cannot understand that it only takes 6 days from egg hatching to capped queen cell and swarm long gone and that this 6 day time interval does not = 7 days then gawd help us.

But your reasons are rubbish.
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To inspect swarming fever of the hive is not difficult, that you must calculate egg ages. Stupid idea.

But if you inspect hives in 6 days interval, you do it. Next day it will be 7 days interval.

 

[Finman]

JBM.
My beef with Beefriendly is his/her assertion that 7-days is FAR too long between inspections and that inspections must be done every 6 days... that is all.

I have done 7 days interval 55 years, and it is ok, because one week is 7 days. I was 6 days at work and I arrived at 6 th day evening to summer cottage. I had opportunity to inspect hives after 7 or 8 day. If Saturday had bad rain, I can inpect on Sunday on 8th day.

I cannot understand what heck you calculate, and what heck calculation has to do with eggs. I have not inspected egg cups.

But do just as you wish. Only important thing is that do not loose your swarms.
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[Finman]

My beef with Beefriendly is .

Buzz, you can inspect your 3 hives every day if you want, then you do not make a mistake.
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[Uncle Betty]

But your reasons are rubbish.
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To inspect swarming fever of the hive is not difficult, that you must calculate egg ages. Stupid idea.

But if you inspect hives in 6 days interval, you do it. Next day it will be 7 days interval.

 

[Beefriendly]

But your reasons are rubbish.
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And I love you too Finman....

 

[Beefriendly]

, just don't tell people that "7 day inspections are the wrong time interval",


Who the Efff do you think you are to dictate what people,can and cannot say on an open forum???
And it is the wrong time interval.

 

[Finman]

It's a myth that bees swarm on the day the first cell is capped.

It is missunderstanding by you if you take it so directly.

Normal biological system is that first swarm goes when first queen cells are capped and second swarm leaves after a week when first virgin emerges.

So, the second swarm has one week's emerged workers.

You may invent your own rules if you want. It does not harm others.
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[Finman]

And I love you too Finman....

Best in our love is 2000 km between us.

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[Ian123]

It is missunderstanding by you if you take it so directly.

Normal biological system is that first swarm goes when first queen cells are capped and second swarm leaves after a week when first virgin emerges.
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Unless of course it’s raining and they all sit on top of the cells keeping the virgins in and having a big discussion about if they should go on the 6 7 8 or even 9th day

 

[Finman]

Unless of course it’s raining and they all sit on top of the cells keeping the virgins in and having a big discussion about if they should go on the 6 7 8 or even 9th day

You think that I have not learned that during 55 years, what rain and cold means in swarming? Deviations must be repeated every time if something is said.

If you trust on rain weather and go to inspect you hive too late, swarm has gone. Swarm does not wait you. That I have met too often.

Guys have photos that couple of swarms have appeared to trees in light rain and in 9C temperature.
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[Ian123]

Jesus finsky I was pulling your leg

 

[Finman]

Jesus finsky I was pulling your leg

I do not know what means pulling my leg.

 

[Ian123]

It’s a joke/sarcasm......never works well when you have to explain it though

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Not to be confused with pulling his wire

Or his pudding

 

[For want of a better word]

Not to be confused with pulling his wire

Or his pudding

I loved and lived with a girl from the Andaman Islands... so I feel Finnies pain... absolutely!!

 

[Finman]

I loved and lived ... so I feel... absolutely!!

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UGH, you have spoken!
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[Tom Jay]

I've scanned the whole of this discussion and have not spotted any reference to the English 'North South Divide' on this issue. On my beekeeping course six years ago at the Northumberland Agricultural College I was told that wing clipping was practiced in the South of England and regarded as no no in the North of England. I was content to go along with this and have never clipped my queens but rather been diligent with inspections - by the ninth day at latest - during the swarming season. Another part of my diligence is has been an annual flyer to my neighbours about swarming. I have missed queen cells, yes. In consequence I have had practice at hiving swarms, which I value immensely.

As happens I have moved all my hives to a new apiary on the south edge of a mature wood on the estate of a stately home. The lady of the house who is a garden designer who has planted her grounds for pollinators for at least twenty years, tells me she has seen NO honeybees over those years. Her hope is not only for productive hives but also for an occasional mistake on my part which might result in feral bees nesting in the hollows of her ancient trees!

So I will stay with the practice I was taught in these parts - of keeping queens who may fly.

… Is it in fact the case that there is far less clipping in the North of England than the South? and what of Scotland Wales and Ireland? Is clipping the norm in Finland? What of other nations?

 

[Eyeman]

Really.....I find they (the eggs) are often removed on next inspection.

Ignore the eggs

 

[Millet]

I've scanned the whole of this discussion and have not spotted any reference to the English 'North South Divide' on this issue. On my beekeeping course six years ago at the Northumberland Agricultural College I was told that wing clipping was practiced in the South of England and regarded as no no in the North of England. I was content to go along with this and have never clipped my queens but rather been diligent with inspections - by the ninth day at latest - during the swarming season. Another part of my diligence is has been an annual flyer to my neighbours about swarming. I have missed queen cells, yes. In consequence I have had practice at hiving swarms, which I value immensely.

As happens I have moved all my hives to a new apiary on the south edge of a mature wood on the estate of a stately home. The lady of the house who is a garden designer who has planted her grounds for pollinators for at least twenty years, tells me she has seen NO honeybees over those years. Her hope is not only for productive hives but also for an occasional mistake on my part which might result in feral bees nesting in the hollows of her ancient trees!

So I will stay with the practice I was taught in these parts - of keeping queens who may fly.

… Is it in fact the case that there is far less clipping in the North of England than the South? and what of Scotland Wales and Ireland? Is clipping the norm in Finland? What of other nations?

Once a Virgin returns from a mating flight and she is laying the wing or sometimes both come off..