Sublimox

[Hachi]

Ignore him he is a pure crank and talks in his own language that only he understands in his weird head, read through the threads or even PM and i will give you a list of people too and not too listen to..

Wonder if its the same list I got......


Yup your on it too

 

[Millet]

Wonder if its the same list I got......


Yup your on it too

I have a little book of names, some get a + a lot get a big fat - .. the list has just grown..

 

[charlievictorbravo]

I haven't been on here long enough to recognise whether this is a forum in-joke, my suspicions are aroused but if it isn't I'd be very interested in what management techniques are being used? Thanks!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It may not be a joke. Say, for the sake of example, that a person was treating their bees with a form of OA that is not approved. You cannot put that on your veterinary medicines form so that beekeeper must assert, if asked officially, that he is treatment-free. Geddit?

A person would be foolish to admit, on a public forum, to committing an offence by giving food-producing animals un-authorized veterinary medicines - walls have ears!

CVB

 

[Hachi]

I have a little book of names, some get a + a lot get a big fat - .. the list has just grown..

 

[Gilberdyke John]

I have a little book of names, some get a + a lot get a big fat - .. the list has just grown..

He's on my list,
He won't be missed,
I am the Lord High Executioner
(With apologies to The Mikado)

 

[For want of a better word]

I haven't been on here long enough to recognise whether this is a forum in-joke, my suspicions are aroused but if it isn't I'd be very interested in what management techniques are being used? Thanks!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Pure icing sugar has been recommended to control Varroa... Thrones even list a sugar shaker in their catalogue, for the even disposition of icing sugar over the frames... as with rhubarb leaves, not within the VMD remit and therefore neither approved or not approved.... similar to adding thymol leaves to your smoker?
Many approved Veterinary medicines for bees are on the VMD website and can be used as directed.

BTW I switched off the ignore button as sometimes even the icemaiden can throw in some useful comments!

Yeghes da

 

[olriley]

Most helpful, thanks! Well, I guess I am "treatment free" too then ;-)

 

[iann41]

if you go to the Veterinary medicines website, click over the 'Target species' column and it will list bees at the top.

You have to do this for the entire alphabet to get the whole list

 

[Erichalfbee]

i will give you a list of people too and not too listen to..

Can I have one of those too?

 

[mbc]

Vmd are tossers, they'll happily let you put organophosphates in your hive if you go through a vet and claim to need caumaphos but insist on this ridiculous message that only oxalic acid in the form of apibioxal can legally be used. It's a nonsense and obviously so, no one has been prosecuted for using generic oxalic acid, it's policed by sbi's who will mostly be using generic oxalic acid yet we carry on letting them dictate this farce to us forcing generally honest and law abiding individuals into being slightly deceitful. I can not fathom why we let the situation continue.

 

[Beefriendly]

I can not fathom why we let the situation continue.

Before apibioxal no form of oxalic acid treatment for varroa was legal in the UK.
If they removed the additives it would be fine for vaping.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Vmd are tossers, they'll happily let you put organophosphates in your hive if you go through a vet and claim to need caumaphos but insist on this ridiculous message that only oxalic acid in the form of apibioxal can legally be used. It's a nonsense and obviously so, no one has been prosecuted for using generic oxalic acid, it's policed by sbi's who will mostly be using generic oxalic acid yet we carry on letting them dictate this farce to us forcing generally honest and law abiding individuals into being slightly deceitful. I can not fathom why we let the situation continue.

 

[Plenty of honey]

It may not be a joke. Say, for the sake of example, that a person was treating their bees with a form of OA that is not approved. You cannot put that on your veterinary medicines form so that beekeeper must assert, if asked officially, that he is treatment-free. Geddit?

A person would be foolish to admit, on a public forum, to committing an offence by giving food-producing animals un-authorized veterinary medicines - walls have ears!

CVB

I completely agree, but in a court of law, with a good lawyer, you couldn't be actually prosecuted for poisoning or miss treating your bees, because you are actually using a pure , generic form of the treatment. The Missing ingredient as we know as "Fairy dust" that clogs up all our machines, could be argued that it makes applicators not function properly and puts the operators at risk, having to remove residues between applications. (amongst other reasons) I wonder if the added fairy dust may in some way be harmful to bees?
Its unfortunate that this is going to take a test case with someone who has serious money to sort out this problem.
In France here, i can buy Apibioxal and also all the generic form from any bee shop. never any questions asked, Thats supposed to European regulations that you/we all following.
Strictly were that same as the uk on the medicines front!
its all a bit of a pigs ear of things, a truly mad non sensible, greedy world we live in!!
Grrrrrrrrr.

 

[Finman]

I completely agree, but in a court of law, with a good lawyer, ....


In France here, i can buy Apibioxal and also all the generic form from any bee shop. never any questions asked, Thats supposed to European regulations that you/we all following.
.

IT is same in Finland

IT is funny, that oxalic acid content is not even followed from honey, because it is natural part of human food, and it is at harmless level in honey.

Funny is too, that Britain send money to Italy and Germany that they can use normal chemicals to varroa. Who get advantage from that ?
.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Thats supposed to European regulations that you/we all following.
Strictly were that same as the uk on the medicines front!
its all a bit of a pigs ear of things, a truly mad non sensible, greedy world we live in!!
Grrrrrrrrr.

Well you know how absolutely anal the Brits are at following regulations

 

[Finman]

the Brits are at following regulations

Why then so many grannies are inpecting murders in villages? And they find bones from gardens...

.
.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

Well you know how absolutely anal the Brits are at following regulations

That accounts for a myriad of ills.

 

[mazzamazda]

I completely agree, but in a court of law, with a good lawyer, you couldn't be actually prosecuted for poisoning or miss treating your bees, because you are actually using a pure , generic form of the treatment. k on the medicines front!

Taken from managing varroa, beebase

Use of non-approved generic substances In many European countries, including the UK, some beekeepers have used generic naturally occurring substances including organic acids (such as formic acid, lactic acid and oxalic acid) and essential oils (such as thymol) as part of their Varroa control programme. In most cases, no formal testing of efficacy or safety of these substances has taken place, and therefore there is a danger that they are ineffective, harmful to bees, the environment or the user, or leave harmful or otherwise undesirable residues in bee products. Beekeepers contemplating their use need to be aware that personal protective clothing (such as gloves, face, eye and respiratory protection) may be necessary. Beekeepers should also be aware that they are liable to be prosecuted should the routine sampling and testing of products for residues find positive results.

 

[Finman]

.
In my country, the person who encourages to the crime, he will get as big punishment as the the maker.

So, all persons, who have adviced to use oxalic acid in this forum, will be soon in prison.

Or, how it goes in UK?

.

 

[Fritillary]

Finman we already have queues of ambulances outside hospitals. I doubt the authorities will be wanting queues of vans carrying convicted beekeepers outside prisons as well. I quite like the idea though of those who're rude to each other on here having to share cells. We could have televised transmissions: Big Beekeeping Brother.