Sublimox price

[Ian123]

Anyone seen sublimox for a decent price Thornes currently £390.00

 

[Angry_Mob]

Abelo £375 Sublimox Varroa Oxalic Acid Vaporiser - Welcome to Abelo's Beekeeping Supplies

Provap 220 can be purchased for £350.

I purchased my Sublimox from Romania with a spare cap and seals and delivered to the UK cheaper than the local suppliers. However with customs charges that option is probably no longer worthwhile.

 

[Apiarisnt]

Sublimox < £300

see: Sublimox ? Best method of application


Current price £245 plus a modest amount for swift courier delivery

https://www.prisacadobrogea.ro/cump...ublimator-pentru-acid-oxalic-1399-lei-7344086

 

[Hachi]

The cheapest I found (at the time) was from Norfolk Honey

 

[Pembroke]

I don't get it though what's so special about the sublimox? There's loads of evaporators on EBay and Amazon for £50 to £100, even Abelo do one in that price range, as far as I can see they all do the same thing, use electricity to heat up oxalic acid crystals which then vaporise up into the hive. I can't for the life of me see how this one can be so special that it's 3 or more times the price. Especially when Abelo sell the heating element on it's own for only £35 and that must be the heart of the machine / system.

 

[Erichalfbee]

I don't get it though what's so special about the sublimox? There's loads of evaporators on EBay and Amazon for £50 to £100, even Abelo do one in that price range, as far as I can see they all do the same thing, use electricity to heat up oxalic acid crystals which then vaporise up into the hive. I can't for the life of me see how this one can be so special that it's 3 or more times the price. Especially when Abelo sell the heating element on it's own for only £35 and that must be the heart of the machine / system.

Are these other units passive or active?

 

[GuyNir]

I don't get it though what's so special about the sublimox? There's loads of evaporators on EBay and Amazon for £50 to £100, even Abelo do one in that price range, as far as I can see they all do the same thing, use electricity to heat up oxalic acid crystals which then vaporise up into the hive. I can't for the life of me see how this one can be so special that it's 3 or more times the price. Especially when Abelo sell the heating element on it's own for only £35 and that must be the heart of the machine / system.

Temperature control?

 

[Pembroke]

Temperature control?

Optimal sublimation temperature, when the crystals turn to vapour is 157 deg C, the only caveat on that is if you go too far over then you get formic acid and carbon monoxide. I'm sure the cheaper systems are as capable of controlling their temp though. The sublimox and ones like it seem to be more for those with a large number of hives. If it's 20 seconds per hive, as it seems you can achieve that speed then a lot of hives would justify the expense. The average beekeeper with only a few hives can use the slower evaporators.

Oh and here's the UN / EU data sheet on oxalic acid, just in case someone finds it useful? It's nasty stuff, I hope anyone contemplating

it's use will use the appropriate PPE. ICSC 0529 - OXALIC ACID

Are these other units passive or active?

Passive so I'm guessing that's the big difference, if you need to do loads of hives then use the fan driven one with the timer and the £400 price tag, if you've only got a few hives and can spend a bit of time on each one use the £50 one.

Or buy a heating element and make your own, a fan from an old computer would probably make a suitable unit, so long as there's nothing made of metal in the air stream, a cup to hold the crystals, the sublimox ones seem to be ceramic. a handle. some form of timer, and a power supply either mains or battery. As usual there's loads of YouTube videos showing both operation and others making their own versions.

 

[CaptainCymru]

Optimal sublimation temperature, when the crystals turn to vapour is 157 deg C, the only caveat on that is if you go too far over then you get formic acid and carbon monoxide. I'm sure the cheaper systems are as capable of controlling their temp though. The sublimox and ones like it seem to be more for those with a large number of hives. If it's 20 seconds per hive, as it seems you can achieve that speed then a lot of hives would justify the expense. The average beekeeper with only a few hives can use the slower evaporators.

Oh and here's the UN / EU data sheet on oxalic acid, just in case someone finds it useful? It's nasty stuff, I hope anyone contemplating

it's use will use the appropriate PPE. ICSC 0529 - OXALIC ACID



Passive so I'm guessing that's the big difference, if you need to do loads of hives then use the fan driven one with the timer and the £400 price tag, if you've only got a few hives and can spend a bit of time on each one use the £50 one.

Or buy a heating element and make your own, a fan from an old computer would probably make a suitable unit, so long as there's nothing made of metal in the air stream, a cup to hold the crystals, the sublimox ones seem to be ceramic. a handle. some form of timer, and a power supply either mains or battery. As usual there's loads of YouTube videos showing both operation and others making their own versions.

Isnt there formic acid in MAQ's?

 

[Repwoc]

Isnt there formic acid in MAQ's?

Yes, but not normally at 200 °C.

 

[Hachi]

This isn't a new argument and the same principle can be applied to why do people buy trabants verse's Mercedes 600Sel cars as they both do the same job?

 

[CaptainCymru]

Yes, but not normally at 200 °C.

Ok . I'm not so experienced with oxalic acid , just have the cheepy 20 quid wand from Thornes with my pickup battery , seems to do the job

 

[Ian123]

Sublimox < £300

see: Sublimox ? Best method of application


Current price £245 plus a modest amount for swift courier delivery

https://www.prisacadobrogea.ro/cump...ublimator-pentru-acid-oxalic-1399-lei-7344086

Thks will look into that.

 

[ericbeaumont]

the cheepy 20 quid wand from Thornes with my pickup battery , seems to do the job

Two different tools, two different outcomes.

The £20 wand will send OA drifting upward into the hive and the OA may or may not cover everything; the Sublimox is a beast that acts like a fire extinguisher so powerful that everything inside the hive is covered and vapor seeps out of the roof.

Sublimox is not only faster, but more effective.

 

[CaptainCymru]

Two different tools, two different outcomes.

The £20 wand will send OA drifting upward into the hive and the OA may or may not cover everything; the Sublimox is a beast that acts like a fire extinguisher so powerful that everything inside the hive is covered and the vapor seeps out of the roof.

Sublimox is not only faster, but more effective.

Sounds good ,not sure could justify it for 3 hives mind

 

[Gilberdyke John]

Yes, but not normally at 200 °C.

It doesn't stay at 200 C for long. Newton's law of cooling kicks in

 

[rolande]

Newton's law of cooling kicks in

Even in poly hives?

 

[Erichalfbee]

Sounds good ,not sure could justify it for 3 hives mind

It never ceases to amaze my husband, and increasingly me, how much can be justified for this hobby
You'll find a way

 

[Nannysbees]

I don't get it though what's so special about the sublimox? There's loads of evaporators on EBay and Amazon for £50 to £100, even Abelo do one in that price range, as far as I can see they all do the same thing, use electricity to heat up oxalic acid crystals which then vaporise up into the hive. I can't for the life of me see how this one can be so special that it's 3 or more times the price. Especially when Abelo sell the heating element on it's own for only £35 and that must be the heart of the machine / system.

Got ours from amazon brilliant

 

[Repwoc]

It doesn't stay at 200 C for long. Newton's law of cooling kicks in

Yes - that was a slightly tongue in cheek remark. The formic acid produced by oxalic acid thermolysis will of course be hot when it leaves the vaporiser but it won't increase the temperature of the hive significantly. For a short while there could be quite a bit of it though compared to the vapours from MAQs strips especially in proximity to the vaporiser.